Intrepid wrote:Foxfyre wrote:Intrepid wrote:Specific. Paranoid people give me cause for alarm.
I believe that you mean this in theory. I also think in practice you would much prefer to be with CJ, Gunga, or David AND their guns when you were facing down a real threat to you and/or your loved ones' health, safety, or life via another human who didn't give a damn about you or your rights. The vast majority of us will never have to find out. But I think the small minority of victims don't really care about the big picture statistics. For them once is quite enough.
What you believe I mean and what I mean are miles apart. What you think I would prefer is what you prefer...not me. People who live in fear do not live...they exist. I would much rather live without that fear and take what comes without looking for the boogey man.
You and that group of gun loving, gun toting fanatics can live as you choose.
Everybody would prefer to live without fear. I certainly would. But you're also ignoring the point I made which is, when you're facing an armed killer intent on doing you or yours grave bodily harm, the entire perspective of the anti0gun peacenik or any other form of pacifict is likely to change in a big hurry. That's the point I was making and you really didn't address it at all my friend.
Such occurrences are quite rare in most places; nonexistent in a few; all too common in others. But they do happen and often they happen to those who least expect it.
Do we live our lives in anticipation of such an event? Of course not. Is it stupid to be prepared for one. Not the way I see it. I would certainly prefer to be prepared for the rare and unexpected just in case than see another dozen or so school children slaughtered in cold blood.
Now if you want to tell me that you wouldn't appreciate intervention from even the likes of David or CJ or Gunga should you or your wife or kids or grandkids or anybody be faced with a quite unplesant fate at the hands of a killer or worse, okay. I can't say what you think for sure. But if that's what you'll say, I think that would put you in one of the tiniest minorities in the world.
fairly often.MENSA? This idjit says he's in MENSA? Tell me no!!
Foxfyre wrote:Intrepid wrote:Foxfyre wrote:Intrepid wrote:Specific. Paranoid people give me cause for alarm.
I believe that you mean this in theory. I also think in practice you would much prefer to be with CJ, Gunga, or David AND their guns when you were facing down a real threat to you and/or your loved ones' health, safety, or life via another human who didn't give a damn about you or your rights. The vast majority of us will never have to find out. But I think the small minority of victims don't really care about the big picture statistics. For them once is quite enough.
What you believe I mean and what I mean are miles apart. What you think I would prefer is what you prefer...not me. People who live in fear do not live...they exist. I would much rather live without that fear and take what comes without looking for the boogey man.
You and that group of gun loving, gun toting fanatics can live as you choose.
Everybody would prefer to live without fear. I certainly would. But you're also ignoring the point I made which is, when you're facing an armed killer intent on doing you or yours grave bodily harm, the entire perspective of the anti0gun peacenik or any other form of pacifict is likely to change in a big hurry. That's the point I was making and you really didn't address it at all my friend.
Such occurrences are quite rare in most places; nonexistent in a few; all too common in others. But they do happen and often they happen to those who least expect it.
Do we live our lives in anticipation of such an event? Of course not. Is it stupid to be prepared for one. Not the way I see it. I would certainly prefer to be prepared for the rare and unexpected just in case than see another dozen or so school children slaughtered in cold blood.
Now if you want to tell me that you wouldn't appreciate intervention from even the likes of David or CJ or Gunga should you or your wife or kids or grandkids or anybody be faced with a quite unplesant fate at the hands of a killer or worse, okay. I can't say what you think for sure. But if that's what you'll say, I think that would put you in one of the tiniest minorities in the world.
The chances of me, or my family, ever facing an armed killer are very, very remote. Canada is not like the U.S. in that regard and if I lived in the U.S. it is possible that I might think differently. However, I live in Canada and can walk at night without needless fear of being mugged or attacked. Of course, anything is possible but it is silly to dwell on such things.
The advocates for carry concealed weapons seem to be going on the premise that they can easily and readily access these weapons and kill or disable an assailant before they themselves are killed. The act of producing their own weapon would likely cause the assailant to use their weapon when they may not have otherwise. It is also possible to disarm the hapless victim and use his own gun against him. This happens to police officers, according to the news and COPS
IF I was ever confronted with such a situation, I am as likely to be able to fend off such a person without a gun. Again, I say it is paranoid to dwell on being such a victim.
No, I would not like the intervention of Gunga, cjhsa or David. I wouldn't want somebody's blood on my hands because I think they would shoot before even knowing for sure that the assailant was armed. If I am in a tiny minority....sobeit.
Well, as fond as I am of you, and that is considerably, I sure wouldn't want to depend on you to be my defender and protector.
Personally if it came to the protection of kids or loved ones or any innocent people for that matter, I'm of the 'by any means necessary' school when it comes to protecting them. I would not want THEIR blood on my hands because I was unwilling to act or allow others to act.
Foxfyre wrote:
Well, as fond as I am of you, and that is considerably, I sure wouldn't want to depend on you to be my defender and protector.
Personally if it came to the protection of kids or loved ones or any innocent people for that matter, I'm of the 'by any means necessary' school when it comes to protecting them. I would not want THEIR blood on my hands because I was unwilling to act or allow others to act.
Thank you for the kind words, Foxfyre.
Don't get me wrong. I would use all means at my disposal to protect my family and loved ones. Those means just do not include a gun. Unless, it is one I took away from the one intent on using it.
Or, we could both be right.
