For all the Bush Admin Bashers...

Impeachment, IMHO, shouldn't be a tool to be used against Bush. The GOP tried to do in Clinton this way and nearly succeeded. While I think Bush is phony and highly dangerous, he hasn't committed impeachable offenses.

When the day comes that sanctioned election results, even one as queer (in the old sense of the word) as 2000, can be overturned because Congress doesn't like the outcome, the US is in trouble!

As for who I'll vote for in 2004, it'll be the Democrat. That's the best way I know to dump Bush...

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I wanna bash the Bush administration . . .

I wanna bash the Bush administration . . .

Where do i sign up?

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Setanta wrote:

I wanna bash the Bush administration . . .

I wanna bash the Bush administration . . .

Where do i sign up?

The most meaningful way to "bash the Bush adminisration" is to make sure in November 2004 that you vote for the Democrat presidential candidate.

That's also where you'll sign up: at your polling place.

Setanta, I know we can count on you to vote Democrat in 2004. Thanks! You'll be doing yourself and the nation a tremendous favor.

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Another Dem not copping here -- though I'll move before next election if the Dem leadership screws up. D'art -- I think you are entirely right about impeachment. It has become (thanks to the Reps, of course) a misused tool and though I believe Bush HAS committed impeachable offenses and would like to see him hung out to dry for them, impeachment was devalued by the Republicans during the Clinton administration. I'll trade you impeachment for a significant change in personnel in Congress -- particularly the House.

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I agree, Tartarin, about the composition of the House. So far to the right, it's scary. If Tom DeLay could somehow be cut down to size, it would be wonderful!

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Impeachment depends on political climate as much as impeachable offenses. Which is why the Dems did not push for impeachment during Iran-Contra scandal. Bush would be impeachable today if he were low in the polls. Since he is high, it would be an excercise in futility.

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I think it's less his popularity in the polls, Edgar, than the make-up of Congress. I've noticed that my representatives (all Republicans) don't even bother to listen anymore to their Democratic constituents. So the most urgent petition with a multitude of signatures will probably be ignored. Has there been a detailed analysis yet of the effect of the largest antiwar demos in history on individual members of Congress?

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dyslexia wrote:

vote Green, pretty much gave up on the democrats. might change my mind if an actual democrat runs for president but will stick with the Greens on state/local elections.

Dys - Do you support the Greens' extreme socialist platform or are you just willing to throw your vote their way despite it?

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Sorta like the republicans who will throw their vote that way despite the fact they might not support the party's extremists positions?

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Sorta like the republicans who will throw their vote that way despite the fact they might not support the party's extremists positions?
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No.
A vote for Green, while it may be principled, is actually a vote taken from the Dems, which may as well translate to a vote for the GOP.

If Nader hadn't run, Gore would be President right now. Period. I checked the numbers--and was going to c and p the election result numbers, but the chart doesn't transfer well.

Still, if I felt like dys, I would probably vote Green in good conscious, rather than play odds and vote half-heartedly. I don't imagine it is an easy decision to make.

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Scrat says

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Dys - Do you support the Greens' extreme socialist platform or are you just willing to throw your vote their way despite it?

interesting use of the label "socialist" kinda like if i said "you voted for Bush despite him being a fascist?"

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a vicious slur against facists everywhere . . .

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Well, given Scrat's usual point of view, his use of the words "extreme socialist" should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt...

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Sofia wrote:

If Nader hadn't run, Gore would be President right now. Period. I checked the numbers--and was going to c and p the election result numbers, but the chart doesn't transfer well.

Well, that's assuming that the Green voters would indeed have voted Dem if Nader hadnt stood. I mean, I'm sure you're right, that enough would have done so to grant Gore the election victory, but lots of them would not have voted at all. That's partly what the third party thing is about, to pull the people who have long given up back into the voting, so their voice can be heard and reckoned with again. (Playing devil's advocate here ...)

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I'm a Dem and green and not at all afraid of socialism and will vote third party if the Dems nominate a candidate I don't like. To hell with the either/or party structure -- either/or thinking of any kind.

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Anybody even slightly left of center gets called a socialist or communist with great regularity. I guess it goes with the territory.

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I tried bein' a socialist, but as i am naturally lazy, i was constantly being accused of lacking appropriate fervor, so i stopped goin' to the meetin's . . .

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by the new standards of the Bush Administration, Eisenhower would be labeled a socialist.

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I don't think any of these folks who spout off about socialism know much about it, if anything, least of all have experienced living in a country run by, say, Democratic Socialists, or in a socialist commune like Bologna (best run city in Italy at the time). It's all superficial claptrap taken from their favorite B-movie president and his followers.

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D'artagnan wrote:

Well, given Scrat's usual point of view, his use of the words "extreme socialist" should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt...

D'art<

And an unusually small grain at that!

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