Bring the Troops Home

The immediate withdrawal of American troops from Iraq would most likely mean a total instability and full-fledged civil war. But the presideent is adamant in staying with his plan, or lack of plan, come hell or high water. There is no indication that staying another year or ten will make any difference. The country was united under Sadamm Hussein using brute force, a strategy the U.S. is unwilling to employ. Aside from Al Queda, which now has an interest in Iraq, there are three factions in Iraq that are held together in a united Iraq only by force, the kurds, the Sunnis, and the Shiites. Neither faction wants a strong central government except for the Shiites, who have the majority.

Another strategy subscribed by Peter Galbraith, Lesly Gelb, and Sen. Joe Biden gives semi-autonomous status to the three factions with a weak central government whose functions would be the distribution of oil revenues, issueance of a currency, and foreign diplomacy.

Bush seems incapable of resolving the Iraq problem as LBJ was incapable of resolving the Vietnam problem. Most likely it will fall upon the next administration to come up with a solution to Iraq.

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revel wrote:

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Ask "The Troops."

If you care about "The Troops" then surely you care about what they think.

Surely you are not going to suggest that the young men and women who are risking their lives for American policy are incapable of intelligently determining whether or not that risk is worth it.

Overwhelmingly, "The Troops" in Iraq believe in what they are doing and want America to value their efforts and their considerable sacrifices.

It may very well be the case that war supporters don't appreciate the degree of sacrifice of our young men and women. It is equally the case that war opponents do not appreciate the willingness and choice of these young men and women to accept this sacrifice.

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

Do these men and women want us, here in the Homeland, to endorse and praise their actions and efforts or to organize to bring them home?

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay "as long as they are needed"

What a surprise. The troops are not happy with an indefinite assignment. of course the poll didn't ask them how long they were willing to remain to achieve their objective. The headline is a blatant lie. 100% of the troops not willing to sign on to " as long as it takes," has no bearing, what-so-ever on the number of troops who say end the war in 2006.

While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy

What is the percentage that says US role is bullshit?

If Bush enjoyed a 58% approval rating the media would be singing a different song. If Gore or Kerry received 58% of America's votes, they, instead of Bush, would be president.

Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown

Plurality, not a majority. In any case, the plurality is correct. The Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown. Not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11

So what do you mean to suggest by this stat? That our young men and women in Iraq are stupid or uniquely succeptible to brainwashing?

, most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks

This is what I would expect from young Americans. First of all, because it is true, and secondly because this the lesson that young Americans receive - Don't jump to conclusions based on generalized traits.

Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation

Wow, what a surprise. The majority of our troops have not engaged in harsh prisoner interrogation.

Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

Plurality, not majority, but obviously there is not a massively widespread bemoanment of their armor and equipment. Not-with-standing this result, utter shame on us if we are not providing the men and women with the absolutely best armor and equipment.

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snood wrote:

Ask the troops; has anyone done so?

that's what you kept saying....

Yeah, I have. They might say one thing to me and another if a field-grade officer or someone with a microphone asks what they think, but they ain't all hepped-up about this Iraq deal.

Have you asked any of 'em?

Yes I have. I've asked my nephews and my cousins.

None of them are Gun Ho automatons, but all of them believe in thier mission and very much want the people back home to believe in it as well.

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blatham wrote:

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Ask "The Troops."

If you care about "The Troops" then surely you care about what they think.

Surely you are not going to suggest that the young men and women who are risking their lives for American policy are incapable of intelligently determining whether or not that risk is worth it.

Overwhelmingly, "The Troops" in Iraq believe in what they are doing and want America to value their efforts and their considerable sacrifices.

It may very well be the case that war supporters don't appreciate the degree of sacrifice of our young men and women. It is equally the case that war opponents do not appreciate the willingness and choice of these young men and women to accept this sacrifice.

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

Do these men and women want us, here in the Homeland, to endorse and praise their actions and efforts or to organize to bring them home?

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

So, finn, someone did ask them (and it wasn't you).

As revel noted, 72% say "out this year" with one of four saying "out now".

But the really important statistic here is this one:

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Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11

Bullshite - You've read the poll as you wanted to.

So a huge number of them are confused as to the reason for fighting in Iraq?

This doesn't mean that if they thought otherwise they would be all for deserting.

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blatham says

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But the really important statistic here is this one:
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Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11

finn responds

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Bullshite - You've read the poll as you wanted to.

As I said earlier, finn, I no longer consider you a rational agent.

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blatham wrote:

blatham says
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But the really important statistic here is this one:
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Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11

finn responds
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Bullshite - You've read the poll as you wanted to.

As I said earlier, finn, I no longer consider you a rational agent.

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Finn:

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Bullshite - You've read the poll as you wanted to.

So a huge number of them are confused as to the reason for fighting in Iraq?

This doesn't mean that if they thought otherwise they would be all for deserting.

That's just so whacky, to act as if anyone's suggesting that to think otherwise would mean acts of desertion would follow. Just so disingenuous of a way to try to debate this. To think otherwise would mean - to think otherwise. By and large, the troops do have a lot of questions about what the hell they're doing there - and they think those questions, and go on and do the job.

Everyone's not like you, Finn - terrified of even considering that big elephant in the room - the one with "this war was entered into with lies, and is being perpetuated without a plan" written on it. THAT'S what all the polling is showing - people are just refusing to ignore the elephant.

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

revel wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Ask "The Troops."

If you care about "The Troops" then surely you care about what they think.

Surely you are not going to suggest that the young men and women who are risking their lives for American policy are incapable of intelligently determining whether or not that risk is worth it.

Overwhelmingly, "The Troops" in Iraq believe in what they are doing and want America to value their efforts and their considerable sacrifices.

It may very well be the case that war supporters don't appreciate the degree of sacrifice of our young men and women. It is equally the case that war opponents do not appreciate the willingness and choice of these young men and women to accept this sacrifice.

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

Do these men and women want us, here in the Homeland, to endorse and praise their actions and efforts or to organize to bring them home?

Ask "The Troops."

Has anyone done so?

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay "as long as they are needed"

What a surprise. The troops are not happy with an indefinite assignment. of course the poll didn't ask them how long they were willing to remain to achieve their objective. The headline is a blatant lie. 100% of the troops not willing to sign on to " as long as it takes," has no bearing, what-so-ever on the number of troops who say end the war in 2006.

While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy

What is the percentage that says US role is bullshit?

If Bush enjoyed a 58% approval rating the media would be singing a different song. If Gore or Kerry received 58% of America's votes, they, instead of Bush, would be president.

Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown

Plurality, not a majority. In any case, the plurality is correct. The Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown. Not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11

So what do you mean to suggest by this stat? That our young men and women in Iraq are stupid or uniquely succeptible to brainwashing?

, most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks

This is what I would expect from young Americans. First of all, because it is true, and secondly because this the lesson that young Americans receive - Don't jump to conclusions based on generalized traits.

Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation

Wow, what a surprise. The majority of our troops have not engaged in harsh prisoner interrogation.

Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

Plurality, not majority, but obviously there is not a massively widespread bemoanment of their armor and equipment. Not-with-standing this result, utter shame on us if we are not providing the men and women with the absolutely best armor and equipment.

You have cherry picked and misinterpreted the poll for your agenda, it seems you guys are a quick study of the administration for cheap tricks.

1. You asked if any has asked the troops, I showed a poll which did ask the troops. The poll said 72% favor pulling out of Iraq by the end of the year. That answered that question.

2. Evidently the pollsters did indeed ask the troops how long they wanted to stay since 72% said that they favored leaving by the end of the year.

3. It is just surprising that so many of the troops believe that Saddam Hussien had something to do with 9/11. On second thought not that surprising given that they get Rush Limbaugh (?spell) aired to them everyday.

4. We used WP in Iraq, the troops said that they did not approve of it. We rationalize torture in Iraq and other US prisons (the President even said they reserve the right to torture in the last torture ban bill falsely so called), the troops said they did not approve of it. They did not say they did not do it, they said they didn't approve of it. Another example of deliberate misinterpreting.

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