Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:20 am
Two people in a house. There is a pie on the counter.
person A goes to the bathroom. When He returns the pie is gone.
Person B has pie filling on his lips, and crumbs on his shirt.
Did person B eat the pie? Since nobody saw it you can never know.
Coming to any conclusion would be foolhardy, because there is no absolute proof.
Right frank? That about sum it up?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 08:36 am
Wait!

What kind of pie was it?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 11:24 am
Doktor S wrote:
Two people in a house. There is a pie on the counter.
person A goes to the bathroom. When He returns the pie is gone.
Person B has pie filling on his lips, and crumbs on his shirt.
Did person B eat the pie? Since nobody saw it you can never know.
Coming to any conclusion would be foolhardy, because there is no absolute proof.
Right frank? That about sum it up?


No, jerk, coming to a conclusion on that would not be foolhardy at all. It would not be ironclad...but more than likely B ate the pie...and that would be my guess based on that evidence.

Why are you so stupid as to suppose there is that much evidence that supports a guess of "there is a God" or "there are no gods?"

Are you honestly that devoid of brains...or is it that you do not use the brains you actually have?

But do come back with more of you pathetic arguments. I'm loving them. Although I suspect many of the people on the same side of the coin as you are moaning over your stupidity.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 01:34 pm
I would suppose it all depends on what one is willing to consider as valid evidence.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 01:39 pm
Personally I see no need to construct scenarios. Somebody brings you a load of nothing and challenges you to prove it isn't something got to have bats in the belfry.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 01:57 pm
Hmmm could be edgar... Though, in some cases a good scenerio, said not in sarcasm or deliberate rudeness, can be very useful in helping someone to understand your point. IMO anyway.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:11 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Personally I see no need to construct scenarios. Somebody brings you a load of nothing and challenges you to prove it isn't something got to have bats in the belfry.


This analogy only works if you have decided by your belief system that there is nothing.

Unless you can PROVE to the rest of us that you know for certain what IS and IS NOT included in the make-up of REALITY...

...you are still whistling Dixie...

...off key.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:13 pm
Wrong, Frank. Without evidence, they decided there's a deity. In short, claiming nothing is something. You are deluded by inability to grasp that simple fact.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:21 pm
hephzibah wrote:
I would suppose it all depends on what one is willing to consider as valid evidence.


Quite. See: Rules of Evidence: 702 - Testimony of Experts, see also: Rules of Evidence 801: Hearsay - Definitions and Rules of Evidence 802 - Hearsay Rule
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:22 pm
Go Edgar. And you didn't even call him a jerk.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:24 pm
sissyfrissin jerk. Thanks for reminding me, jl.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:28 pm
Dunno why some folks just can't get a lock on how to avoid the sorta things that get threads locked. Guess mebbe it comes down to they just plain don't care.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:36 pm
Me and Frank ain't serious, exchanging those type barbs, timber.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:44 pm
That's pretty much a given, edgar - to folks who know you both. Some folks, however, not in on the many-years-long, multi-forum backstories we "old timers" have, might get the wrong idea. I dunno - not ragging on anybody here - just don't wanna see anything unpleasant happen.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:53 pm
I have a feeling you have not been reading this thread, Timber. What I just posted is extremely mild by comparison.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:06 pm
I s'pose you're right - mebbe I didn't fully take context into consideration. Still, I think I have a point. Oh, well.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:17 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Wrong, Frank. Without evidence, they decided there's a deity. In short, claiming nothing is something. You are deluded by inability to grasp that simple fact.


No Edgar.

The question people have been grappling with for thousands of years is:

What is the nature of the REALITY of existence?

One possible answer is that it has a component that is spiritual...another that there is no spiritual component.


You want to pretend there cannot be a spiritual component because...

...well, just because.

And since the folks who posit a spiritual component cannot produce the spirit for you...

...you want to insist it cannot and does not exist.

You are simply a bullheaded old fool.

And your decision to "decide without evidence that there IS NOT a spiritual component" is every bit as unwarranted as the theistic decision to "decide without evidence that there IS a spiritual component."

But I am getting huge laughs at your attempts to poke fun and minimize the agnostic take on this issue.

You are a gas.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:19 pm
You'll be guffawing out the other end of your person, once you get to that point of reality, Frank.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:23 pm
The point is, spirituality, deism, are cooked up inside the imagination. The reason the concepts, though erroneous, are so powerful, is because man is a territorial animal, and the imagination can house territories as big as reality [to the human mind]. A territorial being will fight to the death for the concept, which is why you and the deists become so ferocious in these threads.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:26 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
The point is, spirituality, deism, are cooked up inside the imagination. The reason the concepts, though erroneous, are so powerful, is because man is a territorial animal, and the imagination can house territories as big as reality [to the human mind]. A territorial being will fight to the death for the concept, which is why you and the deists become so ferocious in these threads.


So....based on these laughable pseudo-premises...

...you are absolutely positive there are no gods.


Yuk, yuk, yuk.



You are such a kidder!


You will go to any lengths to get a laugh.
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