snood
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:36 am
takes one to know one
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:59 am
Well, snood, if you want to believe in flying monkeys and leprechauns, more power to you.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:18 am
Oh, I thought you referred to belief in anything.... mea culpa
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 07:16 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
No matter how many times Frank gets refuted, he's too dense to get it. What can ya do?


You can recognize that the agnostic position blows the atheistic position out of the water...and concede that the agnostic position is superior to the atheistic position in just about every respect.

That would be the ethical thing to do.


Sheez, Frank. You make it sound so simple.


It is rather simple, Edgar. If you don't know something...you simply acknowedge that you do not know it and move on. It just takes ethics, a sense of honesty, a bit of integrity, and some spine.

Really.

Develop those things and you will see.


Quote:
If I accepted your version of logic and ethics, the sky might fill with flying monkeys and hordes of leprechauns.


That doesn't follow at all...but I can see that you are uncomfortable with slowly discovering that you belief system is not all that different from the theistic belief system for which you hold so much scorn.

If making up absurd scenarios helps you past all that...go for it.
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BDV
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 07:24 pm
One small point to raise:

Why do agnostics have to believe in something to say that they do not know if it exists or not? Correct me if i am wrong but one of the come backs from the atheist camp is "if you believe in ....", the point i believe we are trying to put across is simple, we neither disbelieve or believe without evidence, what is the problem with that? and why do you have a problem with that?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 07:51 pm
I don't have a problem with people being agnostics. Just see them as mistaken is all.
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BDV
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 07:57 pm
Thats what i can't understand, how can you be mistaken when you don't have an opinion on it ?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:18 pm
You do have an opinion, or you would not label yourself.
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BDV
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:29 pm
I don't really label myself as i am not sure what i believe, i don't think there is a label available, agnostic just seems the closest word.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:41 pm
Sounds like you are on a long journey of self discovery.
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BDV
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:52 pm
A very long one by the looks of things Very Happy
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:55 pm
I don't have a problem at all with not knowing and describing oneself as agnostic.

I just have a problem with my own point of view being alluded to as one of cowardice by a robotic poster.
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BDV
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:10 pm
Being an agnostic (to me (as i have posted)) is a journey of self, life and world discovery, i am perhaps an agnostic but many of the things i have seen and experienced have pushed me towards a strange point of view which i have yet to give a name for, I would say i know there is an afterlife, i know there is reincarnation, and i know there maybe Gods, but i have no proof or solid evidence of any of it, so i am dubious to things i believe I know. I personally believe I am having a clash between my conscious mind, unconscious mind and the body which i firmly believe are seperate entities. This i believe is because my unconscious won't tell me the **** i want and my body won't run a marathon when i demand.

Now if you understand that then we could be on the same wave lenth, otherwise i need locked up - Very Happy
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 04:16 am
BDV wrote:
One small point to raise:

Oops mistake.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 04:20 am
ossobuco wrote:
I don't have a problem at all with not knowing and describing oneself as agnostic.

I just have a problem with my own point of view being alluded to as one of cowardice by a robotic poster.


Yeah...the Christians often post comments like that when I call attention to the fact that they have arrived at their "beliefs" based on evidence that is ambiguous, at best.

Try listening to the message.

Maybe it will open your eyes.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 03:52 pm
Nobody proselytizes quite like you do frank. You should consider starting up an agnostic ministry. Preach it brother.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 04:12 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Nobody proselytizes quite like you do frank. You should consider starting up an agnostic ministry. Preach it brother.


I'm peddling as fast as I can, Doc. Thanks for the encouragement.
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BDV
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 08:12 pm
Hail to the frank....
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 09:18 pm
A hail of rocks to the Frank . . .
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:11 am
Poor fools. So anxious not to acknowledge what they do not know.
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