Obama is against gay marriage.

CoastalRat wrote:

I'm patiently waiting for any of the liberals on here to step up and admit that Obama is a bigoted homophobe for believing that marriage is between a man and a woman. After all, I have been repeatedly referred to in the same manner even though my views are much the same as his appear to be. I too would support a contract/civil union for gays that would extend most if not all of the rights the government allows for married couples. Yet Debra, the many reincarnations of Harper and others still insist I am a bigot and a homophobe. Maybe if I change my name to Obama and become a democrat my views will be granted a measure of tolerance that democrats claim to be famous for. Naw, they'll probably just point at me and say something about a wolf in sheep's clothing. (emphasis added)

The portions i've highlighted have a point. It appears that you insist that all "liberals" here can be condemned for the actions of "Harper and others"--but you don't name the others, or otherwise claim that you have been so treated by all "liberals" here. Even if you named "others" who were allegedly guilty of such behavior, you'd only have demonstrated that Harper and those named others had done this, not all liberals. That's quite a broad brush you're painting with there.

How about a slightly heated liberal? Lukewarm liberal? Toasted liberal? Well, only after 5 o'clock.

CoastalRat wrote:

I'm patiently waiting for any of the liberals on here to step up and admit that Obama is a bigoted homophobe for believing that marriage is between a man and a woman. After all, I have been repeatedly referred to in the same manner even though my views are much the same as his appear to be. I too would support a contract/civil union for gays that would extend most if not all of the rights the government allows for married couples. Yet Debra, the many reincarnations of Harper and others still insist I am a bigot and a homophobe. Maybe if I change my name to Obama and become a democrat my views will be granted a measure of tolerance that democrats claim to be famous for. Naw, they'll probably just point at me and say something about a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Well, I don't know about others, but anyone who supports civil unions would not be someone I would consider bigoted or homophobic. To me it's all wordplay anyway. Marriage, civil union, it's all the same to me. But then again, I only think of it in terms of the legal system which is where I would have thought that it matters. And since I was just called a flaming liberal on this very thread, I feel qualified to answer.

The Latin word sacramentum means "a sign of the sacred." The seven sacraments are ceremonies that point to what is sacred, significant and important for Christians. They are special occasions for experiencing God's saving presence. That's what theologians mean when they say that sacraments are at the same time signs and instruments of God's grace.

this has already been brought up in the gay marriage/lightning rod thread, but William J. Clinton signed the defense of marriage act defining marriage as "a legal union between one man and one woman". if that didn't make Clinton homophobic, then Obama isn't homophobic either.

To Catholics, for example, marriage is one of the sacraments.
They believe that marriage is a holy event and is as important to them as baptism, communion, etc. Why should they not be allowed to keep the sanctity of their beliefs whole? Why should a small minority of people be allowed to destroy the sanctity of an entire religious experience if it is all just wordplay?

Well, just to set the record straight FD, I don't think you are a flaming liberal. More like a nice roaring warm fire of a liberal.

to some, it didn't matter. It only mattered that a Repbublican sounded anti-gay marriage.

CoastalRat wrote:

Well, just to set the record straight FD, I don't think you are a flaming liberal. More like a nice roaring warm fire of a liberal.

I would characterize FreeDuck as an utterly cool liberal. Please expect me to start a thread and hurl invectives at you about it soon.

It is my undersetanding that Obama (is that not an unamerican name) is african-american- probable protestant christian-registered democrat-not from Connecticut/texas and a secular humanist/ I cannot vote for such a disgrace of a human (not anglo) bean.
Your friend the Dys.

I read an article yesterday in which Howard Dean said, "The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman."

He was being interviewed by a Christian publication and expounding on how alike the Democrats and Evangelicals are...(I laughed and laughed at that one).

He's such a liar.

Then Kennedy said that, "A vote for this amendment is a vote for bigotry".

Well, he ceased being relevant ages ago, but someone should tell him that a bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own .............

And the knife cuts both ways.



As for what Obama said - it reminds me of Kerry and the abortion issue. Kerry always said he believed life begins at conception, but is pro-abortion and it always struck me that essentially that makes him pro-murder.

Part of me would love to see Obama come out swinging for his convictions on the marriage issue, although I certainly understand why he won't.

I'm a lukewarm socialist, but I'm too hot to be a liberal!