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Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows

 
 
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 03:51 pm
Maggot is soooo too kind an expression for her.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 03:57 pm
Advocate wrote:
Tico, you have no basis to say I hate Ann Maggot Coulter. There is no reason to hate an entertainer -- the most she can do is injure a person's feelings. I probably do hate Bush for really hurting our country and most of its people. I hold him responsible, for example, for the tens of thousands of casualties in our war on Iraq.


You hate Bush and Coulter.


Who do you hold responsible for cutting off Nick Berg's head?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 03:57 pm
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
One can search google and find a plethora of descriptions of Michael ("I'm just a millionaire looking out for the little guy") Moore's lies, distortions, and instances of his hypocrisy. [Here's just one dealing only with the lies in "Fahrenheit 9/11."]

I started to compile a list, but the task proved too daunting because of the sheer volume of material involved.

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"You know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on three different petitions to recall me from the school board. F**k all these small businesses - f**k 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small business people are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people. F**k 'em all. That's how I feel."


You're right, blatham ... Moore is shallow, hypocritical, hateful, and whiny. Not at all like Coulter.


Where is that quote from? If in the link you provided, could you note some location (eg... half way down page)


The quote was given to reporter Cory Ratzlaff in response to a question about why he wasn't speaking at independent bookstores rather than at corporate chains, and was published in the Arcata Eye (California) newspaper on March 12, 2002.

Unfortunately the link to the original story is no longer working. http://www.arcataeye.com/top/020312top02.shtml

Here are links to a few articles that discuss the story or the quote:

http://snipurl.com/Left_watch

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 04:40 pm
tico said
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The quote was given to reporter Cory Ratzlaff in response to a question about why he wasn't speaking at independent bookstores rather than at corporate chains, and was published in the Arcata Eye (California) newspaper on March 12, 2002.

Unfortunately the link to the original story is no longer working. http://www.arcataeye.com/top/020312top02.shtml

Here are links to a few articles that discuss the story or the quote:

http://snipurl.com/Left_watch

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807


The "quote" you pasted is incomplete, according to your first link above. The second and third links make no reference to it that I could find and are actually the same piece carried on two sites.

I can't credit this as a verbatim quote of something Moore said as there is no way to verify accuracy (another person present, for instance).
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 04:52 pm
blatham wrote:
The "quote" you pasted is incomplete, according to your first link above.


You mean its "incomplete" because the quote I pasted did not include the following at its beginning: "If the small businesses suck they'll be driven out of business. If they got a good restaurant, people will go there and eat. ..."

<insert jumbo-sized rolling eye emoticon here>

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The second and third links make no reference to it that I could find and are actually the same piece carried on two sites.


They are indeed the same piece, but they certainly do make reference to the quote. Just search for "Arcata." The paragraph in the article reads as follows:

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I can't credit this as a verbatim quote of something Moore said as there is no way to verify accuracy (another person present, for instance).


Really? Unless there is a third-party witness, available for cross-examination, you distrust the veracity of every quote you read? Does this distrust of direct quotations extend to quotes of Bush, or just leftists you are trying to defend?
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 06:26 am
CopyCoulter: Plagiarism Scandal Heating Up

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http://adam.freefm.com/

I think Coulter's days are numbered.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 06:40 am
Quote:
You hate Bush and Coulter.


Who do you hold responsible for cutting off Nick Berg's head?


Given the limited choice between those two, I'd say Bush.

Nick Berg had probably heard the same "cakewalk" and "meet us with flowers" misapprehensions of reality and, like the rest of us, thought the risks of working in Iraq might be worth it.

Had Bush sought out the enemy where he was, rather than in the more target-rich Iraq, Nick Berg wouldn't have been there. He'd have been climbing communication towers in Ohio and he wouldn't be having his name bandied about in a specious way by rightwingers to make some smug point.


Joe(Where is Osama?)Nation
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yitwail
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 09:58 am
hey tico, i just want to have it on record that mike moore has had 0 credibility for me ever since he expressed his "belief" that "a vote for Gore is a vote for Bush." so i'm not hypocritical because i find fault with Coulter on the grounds that i don't find fault with moore.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 10:47 am
blatham wrote:
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The "quote" you pasted is incomplete, according to your first link above.


tico:
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You mean its "incomplete" because the quote I pasted did not include the following at its beginning: "If the small businesses suck they'll be driven out of business. If they got a good restaurant, people will go there and eat. ..."

<insert>

It is relevant to what follows, not discursive, so why edit it out? I mean, other than it being a statement of economic theory with which American conservatives might find clear agreement and empathy? And why edit without the proper protocol to make it clear there has been an excision? (Neither of the first two links work now, by the way)

blatham:
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The second and third links make no reference to it that I could find and are actually the same piece carried on two sites.


tico:
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They are indeed the same piece, but they certainly do make reference to the quote.

Sorry, missed it. I remember the 'find' function intermittently.

blatham:
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I can't credit this as a verbatim quote of something Moore said as there is no way to verify accuracy (another person present, for instance).


Tico:
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Really? Unless there is a third-party witness, available for cross-examination, you distrust the veracity of every quote you read? Does this distrust of direct quotations extend to quotes of Bush, or just leftists you are trying to defend?

For a prosecutor, that's a somewhat ingenuous response. Outside of some verification means or source, we grant credence to a second party's account through estimation of bias and motive, and through considering that party's track record on veracity, and through comparing what it is claimed was said by the first party with other statements made by him/her. And if we are going to pass such a statement on to others, then, if we have integrity, we acknowledge the uncertainty of the account's completeness or accuracy.

Here's some further information on the column... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/649620/posts

So, why would you and others of your political leaning bother passing on this account in any case? Moore makes an argument regarding some positives accruing from free enterprise which are in accordance with your own notions. Are you suggesting Moore is a hypocrite and the evidence for that is that he's not an unrelenting or unquestioning anti-business dogmatist?
Or are you hoping for rhetorical mileage because he uses the term "redneck"? Or because he (reportedly) spoke negatively of certain aspects of small town, small businesses in America. Perhaps you hoped to imply anti-Americanism?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 10:54 am
tico

ps....I know you'll be sitting down shortly to watch the game. My daughter is in town and the two of us are about to have a very good day (she fell in love with WC football when she was travelling in Germany four years ago). I wish the same for you and yours.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 12:20 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Quote:
You hate Bush and Coulter.


Who do you hold responsible for cutting off Nick Berg's head?


Given the limited choice between those two, I'd say Bush.


For the record, I blame the terrorists who actually cut off his head.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 12:27 pm
blatham wrote:
It is relevant to what follows, not discursive, so why edit it out? I mean, other than it being a statement of economic theory with which American conservatives might find clear agreement and empathy? And why edit without the proper protocol to make it clear there has been an excision? (Neither of the first two links work now, by the way)


I didn't edit it out. But I don't find it relevant either.

Quote:
For a prosecutor, that's a somewhat ingenuous response. Outside of some verification means or source, we grant credence to a second party's account through estimation of bias and motive, and through considering that party's track record on veracity, and through comparing what it is claimed was said by the first party with other statements made by him/her. And if we are going to pass such a statement on to others, then, if we have integrity, we acknowledge the uncertainty of the account's completeness or accuracy.


Do you have any reason to dispute the quote? This is not a court of law where the Rules of Evidence apply, normally. All I'm saying is your dispute with the quote could apply to a tremendous number of quotes that don't have idependent verification. Will you apply your distrust of such quotes across the board, was my question. I've questioned a quote attributed to Bush where he purportedly claims God instructed him to invade Iraq. There are very valid reasons to question the account of that alleged quote, including the multiple translations involved. What is your reason to dispute the quote we are discussing here? Just for the sake of raising the slight possibility it might be inaccurate? Do you think the reporter is trying to commit a fraud, and just made the whole thing up?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 12:28 pm
blatham wrote:
tico

ps....I know you'll be sitting down shortly to watch the game. My daughter is in town and the two of us are about to have a very good day (she fell in love with WC football when she was travelling in Germany four years ago). I wish the same for you and yours.


Hope you're enjoying the game. I am.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 12:52 pm
Ticomaya wrote:

Hope you're enjoying the game. I am.


I'd thaught, blatham was talking about the football final.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:03 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
Quote:
You hate Bush and Coulter.


Who do you hold responsible for cutting off Nick Berg's head?


Given the limited choice between those two, I'd say Bush.


For the record, I blame the terrorists who actually cut off his head.


That isn't the question you asked.

J
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:20 pm
For all the right's nit picking of Moore, they haven't laid a glove on him. The thrust of his films is absolutely valid.

Tico, as you may know, there were no terrorists in Iraq until we occupied the country. Considering that Bush lied us into the war, he is certainly partially responsible for Berg's murder.

It was a good match, which, I think, Italy deserved to win. The head butt by Zadane was a huge mistake. He would not miss a penalty kick.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 03:28 pm
Lol!


Thing is Joe, in on eof his typical moves, Tico will now come back and say that it IS the question he asked.


Note the tactic.

"You hate Bush and Coulter>"


There they are in your mind.


"Who do you blame for cutting off Nick Berg's head"?


It is natural for you to assume he is asking you to choose between the two.......it is not, actually, what he is asking, as he will soon point out to you with shabby triumph....but it is entirely natural. As I say, a typical Tico ploy.


And then there you will be, if you fall for it, endlessly accused about, and defending a position you took only in reponse to what you quite reasonably thought you were being asked, and probably would not otherwise have even considered as a position.


I saw your response last night, by the way.......also interpreting Tico's question the way you did, and thought your answer very witty...very blackly witty, but witty.


Remember, you can choose not to let Tico drag you into being endlessly attacked and pettifogged and defending yourself about something he manufactured.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:03 pm
I thought he might be asking the question badly, which he was.

Heh heh.

Joe(I have this little mean streak)Nation
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:08 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
I thought he might be asking the question badly, which he was.

Heh heh.

Joe(I have this little mean streak)Nation



Well, you need it here. Sheesh.

To be fair, Tico might not have MEANT that as a set up...though it ******* well looks like it...but the triumph (which he will now deny was there) was shabby indeed.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 04:28 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:

Hope you're enjoying the game. I am.


I'd thaught, blatham was talking about the football final.
'

I enjoyed that one too.
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