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Free speech for me but not for thee. ACLU busted!

 
 
old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 05:18 pm
Possum wrote:
I can tell that English is not your first language, Old Europe-


I doubt that very much.

Possum wrote:
Let us take the word --IGNORANT-

What does it mean?

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ig·no·rant (gnr-nt) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.
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Exactly. I agree with the definition. That is why I said

old europe wrote:
My "name calling" was a reference to Monty Python's Holy Grail, which you were probably ignorant of.


Let's put that in contrast with your statement here:

Possum wrote:
If someone tells me that I am ignorant of the best methods to make a cake from scratch, I will
readily agree.


Now, will you readily agree that you are ignorant of the reference I had made?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 05:26 pm
Yes, I was ignorant of the reference you made because I do not waste my time watching Idiots like Monty Python!!!

My Ignorance in that regard is, as far as I am concerned, to use a legal term--Nonessential Ignorance and not the more critical type sometimes referred to as Voluntary Ignorance.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 05:43 pm
Possum wrote:
Yes, I was ignorant of the reference you made because I do not waste my time watching Idiots like Monty Python!!!

My Ignorance in that regard is, as far as I am concerned, to use a legal term--Nonessential Ignorance and not the more critical type sometimes referred to as Voluntary Ignorance.


Let's do a quick analysis of above statement. You cite the legal terms "nonessential ignorance" and "voluntary ignorance". You are maybe ignorant of the fact that the opposite of "nonessential ignorance" is not "voluntary ignorance".

The opposite of "voluntary ignorance" is "involuntary ignorance". Ignorance of a subject is voluntary when a party might, by taking reasonable pains, have acquired the necessary knowledge. For example, every man might acquire a knowledge of the laws which have been promulgated, a neglect to become acquainted with them is therefore voluntary ignorance. Involuntary ignorance is that which does not proceed from choice, and which cannot be overcome by the use of any means of knowledge known to him and within his power; as, the ignorance of a law which has not yet been promulgated.

So, let's go back to your statement:

Possum wrote:
because I do not waste my time ...


From this part of the sentence, "I do not waste my time", representing a voluntary choice of how you would spend your time, we can easily deduct that your Ignorance (I see you chose to write ignorance with a capital "I", which might be suiting, in your case) is of voluntary nature, or, to use the legal term, voluntary ignorance.

There is, of course, nothing wrong with your Ignorance, especially as you have professed to it so freely. Nevertheless, it should be clarified that your Ignorance is of voluntary nature.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:07 pm
I am very much afraid that you do not know what you are talking about when you define Ignorance in such a way. If you have access to "Black's Law Dictionary" Sixth Edition, please reference it. You may, of course, look at other LAW Dictionaries>

I do hope that you know, Old Europe, that legal terminology is quite different than the terms you usually find in a regular Dictionary.

I think you are QUITE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS!!
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:11 pm
BernardR wrote:
I am very much afraid that you do not know what you are talking about when you define Ignorance in such a way. If you have access to "Black's Law Dictionary" Sixth Edition, please reference it. You may, of course, look at other LAW Dictionaries


Since you decided to use legal terminology, I think it is up to you to present evidence and rebut my statements. Feel free to reference "Black's Law Dictionary" Sixth Edition, or any other law dictionary.

If you cannot do so, my post stands.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:34 pm
I make it a habit not to respond to trolls. Now that this particular troll has achieved his objective, that is, to make the discussion about him and his behavior rather than the subject of the thread perhaps others will refrain from entertaining him further.

Has anyone read anything interesting regarding the ACLU lately?

Joe(troll free since 1999)Nation
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:39 pm
Nonessential Ignorance---that which has not of itself any necessary connection with the business in question( such as the Monty Phyton garbage)

Voluntary Ignorance--Voluntary Ignorance exists when a party might. by taking reasonable efforts, have acquired the necessary knowledge( such as the knowledge that the ACLU has corrupted the US Constitution)

Which, as I must remind you, Old Europe, is what this thread is supposed to be about!!
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:39 pm
Darn. I couldn't resist, could I? I should start a separate thread.

"Troll-feeding thread. Leave your bridge and put up tent here."
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:40 pm
Even Joe Notion agrees- Old Europe-

He wrote:

Has anyone read anything interesting regarding the ACLU lately?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:43 pm
old europe wrote:
Ignorance of a subject is voluntary when a party might, by taking reasonable pains, have acquired the necessary knowledge.


Possum wrote:
Voluntary Ignorance exists when a party might. by taking reasonable efforts, have acquired the necessary knowledge


<grins>






<runs away>
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 06:53 pm
You forgot this one, Old Europe. It is essential to show the difference between the MontyPhyton crap and intelligent comments on the ACLU.

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Nonessential Ignorance---that which has not of itself any necessary connection with the business in question( such as the Monty Phyton garbage)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 10:26 am
Representative Katherine Harris says that non-Christians may drop dead.


Rep. Harris Condemns Separation of Church, State

By Jim Stratton
Orlando Sentinel
Saturday, August 26, 2006; Page A09

ORLANDO, Aug. 25 -- Rep. Katherine Harris (R-Fla.) said this week that God did not intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that the separation of church and state is a "lie we have been told" to keep religious people out of politics.

"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris told interviewers from the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention. She cited abortion and same-sex marriage as examples of that sin.



Harris, a candidate in the Sept. 5 Republican primary for U.S. Senate, said her religious beliefs "animate" everything she does, including her votes in Congress.

Witness editors interviewed candidates for office, asking them to describe their faith and their positions on certain issues.

Harris has always professed a deep Christian faith. But she has rarely expressed such a fervent evangelical perspective publicly.

Political and religious officials responded to her published remarks with outrage and dismay.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said she was "disgusted" by the comments "and deeply disappointed in Representative Harris personally."

Harris, Wasserman Schultz said, "clearly shows that she does not deserve to be a representative."

Ruby Brooks, a veteran Tampa Bay Republican activist, said Harris's remarks "were offensive to me as a Christian and a Republican."

"This notion that you've been chosen or anointed, it's offensive," Brooks said. "We hurt our cause with that more than we help it."

Harris told the journalists "we have to have the faithful in government" because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.

"And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws. That's not what our Founding Fathers intended, and that certainly isn't what God intended."

Harris campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Marks would not answer questions about the Harris interview. Instead, she released a two-sentence statement.

"Congresswoman Harris encourages Americans from all walks of life and faith to participate in our government," it stated. "She continues to be an unwavering advocate of religious rights and freedoms."
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 10:40 am
How does anyone get this stupid? It would seem impossible.

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Harris told the journalists "we have to have the faithful in government" because that is God's will. Separating religion and politics is "so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," she said.


If God is doing the choosing, then whoever is in power is the one He chose. God picked Stalin? Clinton? Harris?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 10:43 am
B, be careful. You are talking about the darling of the right.

Let's hope that, as expected, she gets dumped in the next election.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 10:49 am
I'm not particularly a fan of Harris, but I would really like to see the whole context of her remarks before accepting that she has been accurately or honestly quoted by the Orlando Sentinal. It is possibly that she did say this to a group of Baptists who wanted to hear that. It sure wouldn't be the first time a politican tailored remarks for a specific audience. But at the time time, I no longer trust the media to present these things honestly and fairly.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 10:57 am
blatham wrote:
How does anyone get this stupid? It would seem impossible.


At first blush, one would think so, Mr Latham.

Quote:


August 23, 2006
The Death of Science
Not too long ago the blogosphere was rocking with the great debate of Intelligent Design vs Darwinism. It was an interesting debate, though I doubt much that anyone had the mind changed. Be that as it may, the whole thing got me thinking, and today ii occured to me: science is dead. We have reached the end of the Age of Science - what will come after, I don't know, but I don't think that we'll ever again have a time when Science is enshrined as some sort of god-like arbiter of right and wrong. The question now: what killed science?

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/007726.html


A response from a sane conservative.

Quote:


Thursday, August 24, 2006
Science Is Dead

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2006/08/science-is-dead.html



Another response.

Quote:


Irony Is Dead
By: John Cole August 24, 2006 at 5:30 pm
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I read this several times, and unfortunately, it does not seem to be a parody:

...

That is Mark Noonan at Blogs for Bush, lamenting the death of science.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=7270

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 11:06 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I'm not particularly a fan of Harris, but I would really like to see the whole context of her remarks before accepting that she has been accurately or honestly quoted by the Orlando Sentinal. It is possibly that she did say this to a group of Baptists who wanted to hear that. It sure wouldn't be the first time a politican tailored remarks for a specific audience. But at the time time, I no longer trust the media to present these things honestly and fairly.


This is a telling response, in a number of ways.

Instead of exhibiting a modicum of due diligence and actually doing something as fundamental as say, researching or fact checking, what we get is another ticoism, spouting talking points.

Who ya gonna call, Foxy? Faux News?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 11:44 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I'm not particularly a fan of Harris, but I would really like to see the whole context of her remarks before accepting that she has been accurately or honestly quoted by the Orlando Sentinal.


Similar articles are as well in (quoting some of today's US print newspapers):
- Baltimore Sun (page 4)
- Seattle Times (page 5)
- Houston Chronicle (page 8)


Online on various others ... like the Florida Baptist Witness.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 11:48 am
The facts are biased. (thank you Steven Colbert)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2006 11:54 am
Foxfyre wrote:
It is possibly that she did say this to a group of Baptists who wanted to hear that. It sure wouldn't be the first time a politican tailored remarks for a specific audience. But at the time time, I no longer trust the media to present these things honestly and fairly.


Quote:
This special report contains interviews Florida Baptist Witness conducted with the major candidates running for the Democrat and Republican nominations for governor and the candidates running for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in their respective Sept. 5 primaries.
[...]
The gubernatorial candidate interviews were conducted by Executive Editor James A. Smith Sr., while the senate candidate interviews were conducted by Managing Editor Joni B. Hannigan. With minor variations depending on how the candidates responded, each group of candidates - gubernatorial and senatorial - was asked the same questions. The interviews published in this special report are the actual questions and answers, with only minor editing for extraneous comments and repetition in the responses.
source: Florida Baptist Witness
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