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Foxfyre wrote:

....a few members seriously resent me bringing any personal references.....

No, a few members would be happy if you told the truth about those experiences, instead of making up unbelievable claptrap.

I personally have quite a few black friends, and for one I am more or less considered part of the family. Despite this close bond, I would never, ever even think of using the N word to any of them. It doesn't matter that they use it in reference to themselves-that is a black thing only. A white person, no matter how close, doesn't use it without hell to pay.

If I ever used the word to any of them, not only would it be the immediate end of the friendship, but the scene would get extremely ugly instantly. Despite the fact that everyone involved is well past their twenties, violence might actually occur, (though it would probably result in just a lot of screaming and insults). The idea that this would ever come down to a humorous exchange enjoyed by both parties is utterly bizarre.

Foxfyre, you are describing something which never happened.

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kelticwizard wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
....a few members seriously resent me bringing any personal references.....

No, a few members would be happy if you told the truth about those experiences, instead of making up unbelievable claptrap.

I personally have quite a few black friends, and for one I am more or less considered part of the family. Despite this close bond, I would never, ever even think of using the N word to any of them. It doesn't matter that they use it in reference to themselves-that is a black thing only. A white person, no matter how close, doesn't use it without hell to pay.

If I ever used the word to any of them, not only would it be the immediate end of the friendship, but the scene would get extremely ugly instantly. Despite the fact that everyone involved is well past their twenties, violence might actually occur, (though it would probably result in just a lot of screaming and insults). The idea that this would ever come down to a humorous exchange enjoyed by both parties is utterly bizarre.

Foxfyre, you are describing something which never happened.

Then you are describing "quite a few black members of the family" that do not exist.

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Does it really matter what religion we are? I am a Buddhist, a definite minority. Isn't there a clause in every religion calling for some sort of humanity and tolerance? If I asked myself the question "is hatred and intolerance part of my religion" and the answer came back "yes", I would seriously consider changing faiths!

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Foxfyre wrote:

Then you are describing "quite a few black members of the family" that do not exist.

You are not making any sense.

The fellow I am closest to is in his early 60's, his brothers are in their 50's, his sister her late thirties. His son, whom I was pretty close to but have not seen for awhile, is well into his thirties. His daughter and nephews are in their twenties, but I am not quite so close to them. Until his mother passed away this year, I knew her very well, to the extent that she told me some things that some members of the family did not know.

I would not dream of using the "N" word to any of them. If I ever did, that would be the end of the closeness, right there. And the scene would not be pretty.

I have no idea why you are having trouble understanding this.

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kelticwizard wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Then you are describing "quite a few black members of the family" that do not exist.

You are not making any sense.

The fellow I am closest to is in his early 60's, his brothers are in their 50's, his sister her late thirties. His son, whom I was pretty close to but have not seen for awhile, is well into his thirties. His daughter and nephews are in their twenties, but I am not quite so close to them. Until his mother passed away this year, I knew her very well, to the extent that she told me some things that some members of the family did not know.

I would not dream of using the "N" word to any of them. If I ever did, that would be the end of the closeness, right there. And the scene would not be pretty.

I have no idea why you are having trouble understanding this.

No doubt. But if my friend doesn't exist then neither do yours. Makes perfectly good sense to me.

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Apparently a lot of things make perfect sense to you, such as making up "friends" of various ethnicities to try to back up your points.

Fact is, there is zero chance that your black friend who allows you to call her the N word with no objection exists, for the simple fact that there are no black people who will let a white person do that. At all. Anywhere in the US.

To do so is to provoke the most hostile reaction imaginable.

Anyone who has dealt with real, actual black people is well aware of this.

Yes, black people use the word to describe other black people, never in a complimentary fashion. The word has forever been a barrier between white and black, and no matter how close the white person might be to the black, that is one line he doesn't get to cross. Nor would he particularly even want to.

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kelticwizard wrote:

Apparently a lot of things make perfect sense to you, such as making up "friends" of various ethnicities to try to back up your points.

Fact is, there is zero chance that your black friend who allows you to call her the N word with no objection exists, for the simple fact that there are no black people who will let a white person do that. At all. Anywhere in the US.

To do so is to provoke the most hostile reaction imaginable.

Anyone who has dealt with real, actual black people is well aware of this.

Yes, black people use the word to describe other black people, never in a complimentary fashion. The word has forever been a barrier between white and black, and no matter how close the white person might be to the black, that is one line he doesn't get to cross. Nor would he particularly even want to.

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that" or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim. That my very good friend and I can tease each other and engage in friendly banter when having a playful private moment is a fact. The "honky" is one of the milder insults she heaps on me by the way and, because of our relationship, she can say anything to me in jest and its okay. Of course we would not engage in such banter in the presence of others who might not understand or who would be offended.

That you assume all black people are different from you and are incapable of enough self assurance they can joke around with a white friend or that all black people are exactly alike is a rather mildly racist point of view wouldn't you think?

But the fact is you have no clue about the relationship between me and my friend and your personal attack on that subject was entirely out of line. But if you think it was appropriate and you think it is acceptable to call me a liar with no personal knowledge whatsoever about me, then I think it only fair to take the position that you are lying through your teeth that you even know any black people, much less have any as friends.

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Foxfyre wrote:

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that"or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

For those who have come late to this discussion, this "occurrence" described by Foxfyre is what I said no black person would let her do.

[quote="Foxfyre} I am a white woman who regularly comes back with 'nigger' everytime my black colleague calls me 'honky' and we laugh and go have coffee......[/quote]

And yes, I am quite sure that there are no black people who will let you do that. So is everyone else who has ever dealt with black people, or anyone else who might not have dealt with them a great deal but who grew up in the United States of America and who therefore knows what the "N word" denotes when when used by whites toward blacks.

I have no idea who you think you are kidding, but you are revealing yourself as a person who clearly thinks that if she refuses to budge, she can convince the world that the sky is not blue and that 2 + 2 do not equal 4. Well, the sky is blue, 2 = 2 do equal 4 and you do not have a black friend who allows you to call her the "N" word jocularly and then joins you for a friendly cup of coffee.

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Foxfyre wrote:

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that"or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

For those who have come late to this discussion, this "occurrence" described by Foxfyre is what I said no black person would let her do.

[quote="Foxfyre} I am a white woman who regularly comes back with 'nigger' everytime my black colleague calls me 'honky' and we laugh and go have coffee......[/quote]

And yes, I am quite sure that there are no black people who will let you do that. So is everyone else who has ever dealt with black people, or anyone else who might not have dealt with them a great deal but who grew up in the United States of America and who therefore knows what the "N word" denotes when when used by whites toward blacks.

I have no idea who you think you are kidding, but you are revealing yourself as a person who clearly thinks that if she refuses to budge, she can convince the world that the sky is not blue and that 2 + 2 do not equal 4. Well, the sky is blue, 2 = 2 do equal 4 and you do not have a black friend who allows you to call her "N" word jocularly and then joins you for a friendly cup of coffee.

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Foxfyre wrote:

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that"or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

For those who have come late to this discussion, this "occurrence" described by Foxfyre is what I said no black person would let her do.

[quote="Foxfyre} I am a white woman who regularly comes back with 'nigger' everytime my black colleague calls me 'honky' and we laugh and go have coffee......[/quote]

And yes, I am quite sure that there are no black people who will let you do that. So is everyone else who has ever dealt with black people, or anyone else who might not have dealt with them a great deal but who grew up in the United States of America and who therefore knows what the "N word" denotes when when used by whites toward blacks.

I have no idea who you think you are kidding, but you are revealing yourself as a person who clearly thinks that if she refuses to budge, she can convince the world that the sky is not blue and that 2 + 2 do not equal 4. Well, the sky is blue, 2 = 2 do equal 4 and you do not have a black friend who allows you to call her the "N" word jocularly and then joins you for a friendly cup of coffee.

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Foxfyre wrote:

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that"or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

For those who have come late to this discussion, this "occurrence" described by Foxfyre is what I said no black person would let her do.

[quote="Foxfyre} I am a white woman who regularly comes back with 'nigger' everytime my black colleague calls me 'honky' and we laugh and go have coffee......[/quote]

And yes, I am quite sure that there are no black people who will let you do that. So is everyone else who has ever dealt with black people, or anyone else who might not have dealt with them a great deal but who grew up in the United States of America and who therefore knows what the "N word" denotes when when used by whites toward blacks.

I have no idea who you think you are kidding, but you are revealing yourself as a person who clearly thinks that if she refuses to budge, she can convince the world that the sky is not blue and that 2 + 2 do not equal 4. Well, the sky is blue, 2 + 2 do equal 4 and you do not have a black friend who allows you to call her the "N" word jocularly and then joins you for a friendly cup of coffee.

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Foxfyre wrote:

That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that"or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

For those who have come late to this discussion, this "occurrence" described by Foxfyre is what I said no black person would let her do.

[quote="Foxfyre} I am a white woman who regularly comes back with 'nigger' everytime my black colleague calls me 'honky' and we laugh and go have coffee......[/quote]

And yes, I am quite sure that there are no black people who will let you do that. So is everyone else who has ever dealt with black people, or anyone else who might not have dealt with them a great deal but who grew up in the United States of America and who therefore knows what the "N word" denotes when when used by whites toward blacks.

I have no idea who you think you are kidding, but you are revealing yourself as a person who clearly thinks that if she refuses to budge, she can convince the world that the sky is not blue and that 2 + 2 do not equal 4. Well, the sky is blue, 2 + 2 do equal 4 and you do not have a black friend who allows you to call her the "N" word jocularly and then joins you for a friendly cup of coffee.

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foxfyre

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That you are so certain that "there are no black people who will let a white person do that" or "The word has forever been a barrier between white and black" is illustrative of your ignorance on this subject and even more evidence that you have no close black friends as you claim.

No, its not evidence of anything like that. what it is eveidence of is KW's very good grasp of human relations reality. That you call this "ignorance of the subject" makes certain that you are the one that is ignorant. Probably irretrievably, and maybe voluntarily. You're one scarily lost broad.

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That my very good friend and I can tease each other and engage in friendly banter when having a playful private moment is a fact. The "honky" is one of the milder insults she heaps on me by the way and, because of our relationship, she can say anything to me in jest and its okay. Of course we would not engage in such banter in the presence of others who might not understand or who would be offended.

Oh, of course. And what exactly do you use as criteria to decide which people "might not understand, or who would be offended"? This passage of yours just further emphasizes the distance into which you have traveled in the realm of bullshit. There is no group of reasonable people, especially people of color, who wouldn't be offended by the scenario of "friendly banter" you concoct.

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That you assume all black people are different from you and are incapable of enough self assurance they can joke around with a white friend or that all black people are exactly alike is a rather mildly racist point of view wouldn't you think?

That you are so far removed from any objective reality that you think you can pull off this load of crap, on top of the dozen other "some of my best friend" loads of crap you've tried to pawn off on A2K, bespeaks an obliviousness that defies description. And by the way, it bespeaks the absolute worst kind of racism, that sees it everywhere but in the mirror.

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But the fact is you have no clue about the relationship between me and my friend and your personal attack on that subject was entirely out of line.

You are not only not the arbiter of good sense and appropriate dialogue here, but maybe the least qualified, next to possibly Massagatto, to try to perform that job. Spare us all your phoney indignation.

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But if you think it was appropriate and you think it is acceptable to call me a liar with no personal knowledge whatsoever about me, then I think it only fair to take the position that you are lying through your teeth that you even know any black people, much less have any as friends.

Not only is it appropriate and acceptable for several people here to suggest you are lying through your cyber teeth, but it is a service to the rest of the forum's members, who might make the mistake of taking you and your tangled webs seriously. Stevie Wonder could see through your bullshit.

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Unfortunately, she'd probably call Stevie the "N" word too.

Just in friendly banter, of course.

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KW- no sweat.
(I'm not allowed to answer PMs)

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And again to you all. I accept the following:

1) KW is probaby the most out of touch white man claiming to have black friends that I've encountered lately.

2) Snood is probably the most out of touch black man claiming moral superiority that I've encountered lately.

3) Smithn who doesn't have a clue what any of this is about ust wants to get his licks in.

And since not one of you knows me, knows my friends, or has a single shred of evidence other than your own obvious prejudices to back up your ad hominem attacks on me, I will leave you to your narrow minded and self-assigned sense of righteousness and not hijack this thread further.. Enjoy your day gentlemen.

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Yes, foxfyre, it's all about you and the need of nasty people to attack you. Your credibility has nothing to do with it.

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I agree with one of Fox's points.

Keltic nor snood should feel comfortable saying that "black people" wouldn't allow something.

They (black people) aren't a monolithic swarm, travelling together. I don't know how Keltic or snood interacts or the type of people they interact with--nor do I know this about Fox. What I DO know is I have been in a close working relationship with a majority black staff, made up of individuals--not a glued together monostrosity with BLACK stamped on its collective head.

There were some who didn't like me because I was white. Some who may have disliked me and never let me know--but there were some I loved and they loved me. We went to one another's houses. I was Auntie _____ to more than a few of their children, and when they joked to me about honky or cracker--I knew that was meant affectionately and took it as such--just as they did when I used Negro/es.

It depends on your relationship with the person you're talking to. One size does not fit all--

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dyslexia wrote:

Yes, foxfyre, it's all about you and the need of nasty people to attack you.
Your credibility has nothing to do with it.

I have found that the incidence of ad hominem attacks
and negative credibility assessments from politically correct liberals
is closely associated with the utterance of messages that thay LIKE or
that thay ABHOR.

" Do blind people join nudist camps? "

Maybe the exhibitionistic ones ?

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Yes, foxfyre, it's all about you and the need of nasty people to attack you.
Your credibility has nothing to do with it.

I have found that the incidence of ad hominem attacks
and negative credibility assessments from politically correct liberals
is closely associated with the utterance of messages that thay LIKE or
that thay ABHOR.

" Do blind people join nudist camps? "

Maybe the exhibitionistic ones ?

Thanks David, I needed that reminder to not be so arrogant and obnoxious. Especially coming from you. You must be that good angel that sits on my shoulder only to remind me of my failings, sometimes I forget them.

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