Bible vs. Science

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Question?

Does a woman have a seed?

Can anyone tell me what this verse means?

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RexRed wrote:

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Question?

Does a woman have a seed?

Can anyone tell me what this verse means?

It speaks of Satan by whose action and deceit the serpent deceived the woman. It speaks of sin and death and the fact the Christ will overcome even though Satan will attempt to overthrow him.

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Satan's seed is his organization which until this time has controlled the earth.

Jesus, as the principal seed of the woman, is to bruise Satan in the head. It is unlikely that the woman referred to is Eve. God often refers to his organization as his wife. . .

I don't see the science in this, just an explanation of what a text may mean.

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RexRed wrote:

The words themselves of the Bible mean a different thing to me than they do to most here in this thread.

That's called interpretation. We talked about that before.

For people to have any hope of communicating there has to be some common foundation upon which concepts can be built. For most of us in this forum, it's the English language, as ambiguous as it is.

As a foundation we use the dictionary to define words and context to derive meaning.

You Rex, are not only interpreting the Bible, you are also interpreting the dictionary. The foundation you are building your communication on is you. And you're losing yourself in yourself in your own world.

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Intrepid wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Question?

Does a woman have a seed?

Can anyone tell me what this verse means?

It speaks of Satan by whose action and deceit the serpent deceived the woman. It speaks of sin and death and the fact the Christ will overcome even though Satan will attempt to overthrow him.

That is the way I see it too.

When I apply the body, soul and spirit view, the scripture reveals a new light.

The knowledge of good and evil comes through the flesh/body. This was why Adam and Eve "saw their nakedness".

So the devil has a seed part (his seed) that he plants is in the flesh and it is part of both men and women (both sexes have flesh).

But the woman has in her EGG the ability to give birth to a new seed both of flesh and NEW blood. Blood which is unique and protected from the curses of the blood/life before it.

The loss of the "spirit/image of God" (not soul or they would have both died on that VERY day) of Adam and Eve took away their guide in paradise. Adam and Eve lost their spirit not soul when they sinned. So they could no longer discern good from evil without this holy spirit image of God UPON them. So they began to live by the desires of their flesh instead of the spirit they had once walked by. In seeing the contrast they became ashamed. This impacted the life/souls of their flesh. When they had their flesh in perfection their souls were joyful but when the seeds of discontent were sewn within the flesh as a snake bite, then their souls became ashamed. They knew the flesh had been corrupted of their own free will and doing.

God protected the "tree of life" after Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. HAD God not taken the tree of life out of their grasp and they could have eaten from it, they would have remained eternally in sin of the flesh.

So this is the "enmity". That the devil can only participate in the deeds of the flesh but of life (soul) there are different rules. God took the tree of life away from us and from the devil and protected it with flaming swords in all directions.

This life is what we partake of today in Christ. (But I get ahead of myself)

A woman has an egg not a seed. If both male and female had seeds they could not reproduce.

So this could only be prophetically talking about a male child born of the woman. This child would bruise the head of the serpent... (bruises to the head are usually FATAL) thus the serpent would always be on the heels of the seed looking to and fro upon the earth devour it before or even after it was conceived.

Though Jesus willingly gave of his flesh and blood part, the serpent could not have taken them. It was the devil's own law that caught him in the end. It was the law that "sin is death". The devil took GREAT pleasure in imposing that law on Job. Because of the sinless nature of the "life/soul" (tree of life that God had guarded) part of Jesus, God could LEGALLY raise Jesus from death in flesh/body, blood/soul and spirit.

Mary the mother of Jesus was the first woman in the history of all woman to surrender her will to God in a unique manner. "Be it unto me according to THY will." She gave her will over to God, she knew what was at stake.

Thus she was blessed with this promised SEED. This seed that restored the "life" part of humanity which was the enmity between the flesh and wall of different blood types. The atonement for life. The wall between flesh and blood. The flesh represents knowledge of good and evil but the blood is based upon a different relationship with the particular perceived God of the times. This separation/wall/enmity of flesh and blood was the only thing that saved us from the original sin of the flesh/body. Without spirit the soul is judged by the flesh.

The messiah was prophesied of in the Bible as far back as Adam and Eve. A woman does not have a seed but an egg.

That God could create a seed in the flesh of a woman's egg that would restore the tree of life part in humanity is what that scripture in Genesis says to me.

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rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
The words themselves of the Bible mean a different thing to me than they do to most here in this thread.

That's called interpretation. We talked about that before.

For people to have any hope of communicating there has to be some common foundation upon which concepts can be built. For most of us in this forum, it's the English language, as ambiguous as it is.

As a foundation we use the dictionary to define words and context to derive meaning.

You Rex, are not only interpreting the Bible, you are also interpreting the dictionary. The foundation you are building your communication on is you. And you're losing yourself in yourself in your own world.

I am interpreting it less than someone who just reads a scripture and says, "I think it means such and such". I am comparing that scripture in light of other scriptures and Biblical "word studies".

I look at the same words used in other places and other scriptures and let the meaning of the Bible surface to dissolve the man made contradictions.

So that I don't think, that I think, that I think. Instead people need to get to the place where they know, that they know, that they know.

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RexRed wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The words themselves of the Bible mean a different thing to me than they do to most here in this thread.

That's called interpretation. We talked about that before.

For people to have any hope of communicating there has to be some common foundation upon which concepts can be built. For most of us in this forum, it's the English language, as ambiguous as it is.

As a foundation we use the dictionary to define words and context to derive meaning.

You Rex, are not only interpreting the Bible, you are also interpreting the dictionary. The foundation you are building your communication on is you. And you're losing yourself in yourself in your own world.

I am interpreting it less than someone who just reads a scripture and says, "I think it means such and such". I am comparing that scripture in light of other scriptures and Biblical "word studies".

I look at the same words used in other places and other scriptures and let the meaning of the Bible surface to dissolve the man made contradictions.

So that I don't think, that I think, that I think. Instead people need to get to the place where they know, that they know, that they know.

What is thevalue of pretending to know the things you do not know???

Why do you see that kind of self-deception as something good?

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While you gents try to make sense of the Bibles minutae, remember that science has prevailed despite most of the material contained therein. No matter how rex protests, the Bible is mostly silent on most scientific value statements. Save , for a few random verses here and there that Biblical literalists claim are the Bibles recognition of some greater truth that we understand today. Since the Bibles books are merely the compilations of individual writers who working independently, \produced much more contradiction thanconfirmation of many of these " scientifically inspiring verses". The statements made in the Bible that supposedly refute , say, evolution, are loosely worded, short statements and mostly without any value or merit. I could get just as much science by interpretation of the Book Of Kells or CAnterbury Tales.

Rex uses phrases from the Bible to interpret statements that he is responsible for creating. This has been one of the biggest problems with the use of the Bible in almost any context. It has been so boogered up with silly interpretations over the centuries that we have created sects of bizarrely performing people who, feeling divine inspiration , walk around with spikes in their hands or snakes in their mouths.

All the problems that derive from patterning ones life after "out of context" Biblical quotes,have permeated into our every day industries , like science for instance. Noone in their right mind is going to base a career on what the Bible says about any subject. The Bible is, at best, poetry and tales of the development of a moral code. The only thing unique about such teaching from the Bible, is that it was finally recorded to paper. Its a product of technology itself. The true phenom about it is that sometime , long ago, the development of a cursive system began, and these folk tales were recorded, what's been made of them probably was never in the minds of the first scribes and "prophets".

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The same can be applied to the Koran. How one interpretates it may mean the difference between a peaceful secular orientated Muslim or a killing fanatic.

Christians were killing fanatics in the past. They could very well become that again if there would be no power to contain them.

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farmerman wrote:

While you gents try to make sense of the Bibles minutae, remember that science has prevailed despite most of the material contained therein. No matter how rex protests, the Bible is mostly silent on most scientific value statements. Save , for a few random verses here and there that Biblical literalists claim are the Bibles recognition of some greater truth that we understand today. Since the Bibles books are merely the compilations of individual writers who working independently, \produced much more contradiction thanconfirmation of many of these " scientifically inspiring verses". The statements made in the Bible that supposedly refute , say, evolution, are loosely worded, short statements and mostly without any value or merit. I could get just as much science by interpretation of the Book Of Kells or CAnterbury Tales.

Rex uses phrases from the Bible to interpret statements that he is responsible for creating. This has been one of the biggest problems with the use of the Bible in almost any context. It has been so boogered up with silly interpretations over the centuries that we have created sects of bizarrely performing people who, feeling divine inspiration , walk around with spikes in their hands or snakes in their mouths.

All the problems that derive from patterning ones life after "out of context" Biblical quotes,have permeated into our every day industries , like science for instance. Noone in their right mind is going to base a career on what the Bible says about any subject. The Bible is, at best, poetry and tales of the development of a moral code. The only thing unique about such teaching from the Bible, is that it was finally recorded to paper. Its a product of technology itself. The true phenom about it is that sometime , long ago, the development of a cursive system began, and these folk tales were recorded, what's been made of them probably was never in the minds of the first scribes and "prophets".

You premise would be fine and I agree with most of it FM.

But science cannot study God... God is invisible to science.

Until science can detect and reveal the spirit part of the world, the Bible will have a monopoly on spirituality.

All science can do is examine the flesh (body) and for the most part neglect the life (soul) part. As for the spirit part, science is TOTALLY oblivious to it. Like they are oblivious to what light is. Because light has a body (matter) and a soul (energy) also.

This is the wall and enmity that is between satan/scientists/man and God.

God took the tree of life away from man and scientists... So all science has is the fleshly (matter) observation. They can study the physical matter but life and the spiritual resides behind a wall that science may only speculate about. The Bible reveals what science CANNOT know through physical means of observation.

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Why not just lock 'em all up and throw away the key. Hunt 'em down like dogs in the street. Rolling Eyes

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xingu wrote:

The same can be applied to the Koran. How one interpretates it may mean the difference between a peaceful secular orientated Muslim or a killing fanatic.

Christians were killing fanatics in the past. They could very well become that again if there would be no power to contain them.

Hitler was a scientific killing fanatic...

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Intrepid wrote:

Why not just lock 'em all up and throw away the key. Hunt 'em down like dogs in the street.

Who, scientists? Twisted Evil

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FM hit on the big thing...

Preachers/people using scriptures out of the context of the Bible.

This is what leads to "religion" and leads away from true spiritual unity.

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RexRed wrote:

You premise would be fine and I agree with most of it FM.

But science cannot study God... God is invisible to science.

Or...does not exist.

We really do not know.

You want to insist that your guess that there is a God (one invisible to science)...for no good reason other than that you want to insist.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:

You premise would be fine and I agree with most of it FM.

But science cannot study God... God is invisible to science.

Or...does not exist.

We really do not know.

You want to insist that your guess that there is a God (one invisible to science)...for no good reason other than that you want to insist.

For the reason that I know this God though the same spirit that science cannot know.

The spirit is the instrument that God has given us to measure his kingdom.

One must obtain this spirit though faith and then learn to operate it to in turn measure the manifestation of God's power.

Ephesians 3:19
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

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Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Lu 23:45
And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

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RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:

You premise would be fine and I agree with most of it FM.

But science cannot study God... God is invisible to science.

Or...does not exist.

We really do not know.

You want to insist that your guess that there is a God (one invisible to science)...for no good reason other than that you want to insist.

For the reason that I know this God though the same spirit that science cannot know.

You do not KNOW dick!

You are in denial...and you are pretending that you know...in your constant attempts to ass-kiss this god of yours. The fear you have of this god is so apparent...it seems impossible that you cannot cut through your bullshyt and see it yourself.

You fawn and lavash praise for the god...and pretend that you know the god exists. You operate from fear.

Quote:

The spirit is the instrument that God has given us to measure his kingdom.

One must obtain this spirit though faith and then learn to operate it to in turn measure the manifestation of God's power.

Horseshyt!

Quote:

Ephesians 3:19
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

"Therefore, he who has any of the following defects may not come
forward: he who is blind, or lame, or who has any disfigurement
or malformation, or crippled foot or hand....he may not approach
the veil nor go up to the altar on account of these defects; he
shall not profane these things that are sacred to me, for it is
I, the Lord, who make them sacred." Leviticus 21:18ff

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Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:

You premise would be fine and I agree with most of it FM.

But science cannot study God... God is invisible to science.

Or...does not exist.

We really do not know.

You want to insist that your guess that there is a God (one invisible to science)...for no good reason other than that you want to insist.

For the reason that I know this God though the same spirit that science cannot know.

You do not KNOW dick!

You are in denial...and you are pretending that you know...in your constant attempts to ass-kiss this god of yours. The fear you have of this god is so apparent...it seems impossible that you cannot cut through your bullshyt and see it yourself.

You fawn and lavash praise for the god...and pretend that you know the god exists. You operate from fear.

Quote:
The spirit is the instrument that God has given us to measure his kingdom.

One must obtain this spirit though faith and then learn to operate it to in turn measure the manifestation of God's power.

Horseshyt!

Quote:
Ephesians 3:19
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

"Therefore, he who has any of the following defects may not come
forward: he who is blind, or lame, or who has any disfigurement
or malformation, or crippled foot or hand....he may not approach
the veil nor go up to the altar on account of these defects; he
shall not profane these things that are sacred to me, for it is
I, the Lord, who make them sacred." Leviticus 21:18ff

Frank you are losing it.

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We know as we are known.

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