RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 02:34 am
The Bible specifically states that sin is in the blood...

This should be interesting to science/medicine.

What living quality do blood cells have that is different than our say for instance, skin cells or bone cells?

Why is human blood so singled out and offensive to God?

What did Adam do to taint the blood so badly that all humans would partake in his sinful blood?

Was the flesh also tainted?

Why two testaments both in blood?

Why two people one of law and one of liberty (bride/bridegroom)?

Why two destinations one of paradise and one of heaven?

The more variables you add in the more important body, soul and spirit becomes.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 02:54 am
How can any reasonable person take a fairytale that seriously????

I suspect the answer has to do with the words, "reasonable person."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 03:33 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
How can any reasonable person take a fairytale that seriously????

I suspect the answer has to do with the words, "reasonable person."


Frank, you know I think the world of ya buddy,

My intention is to first understand what the 'tale', as you call it, is really saying first. To keep an objective mind through the process is only reasonable. I will 'after' finding the holy Bible's true meaning, then and only then will I make an informed and well educated decision as to if it is true or a fairy tale.

You demonstrate you have not yet fully understood the tale so that would not quite qualify you as an expert. Some of your abstract judgments concerning this book are not even founded within the books actual intent I think. A fresh new look at the book is in order Frank.

One must know what the book really says and means if they wish to truly contrast it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 03:52 am
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
How can any reasonable person take a fairytale that seriously????

I suspect the answer has to do with the words, "reasonable person."


Frank, you know I think the world of ya buddy,

My intention is to first understand what the 'tale', as you call it, is really saying first. To keep an objective mind through the process is only reasonable. I will 'after' finding the holy Bible's true meaning, then and only then will I make an informed and well educated decision as to if it is true or a fairy tale.

You demonstrate you have not yet fully understood the tale so that would not quite qualify you as an expert. Some of your abstract judgments concerning this book are not even founded within the books actual intent I think. A fresh new look at the book is in order Frank.

One must know what the book really says and means if they wish to truly contrast it.


You've lost your power to reason, Rex.

Honestly!

Whether it is fear of the god, as I suppose it to be, or some other pressure...you have lost your power to reason.

I understand the Bible better than you do. I am more objective about the book than you are...despite that you feel the reality is other than that. In fact, it is obvious that several of us here do.

A "fresh new look at the book" is indeed in order, Rex.

Do it!

For your own good...for the sake of your mental health...

...do it.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 04:15 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
How can any reasonable person take a fairytale that seriously????

I suspect the answer has to do with the words, "reasonable person."


Frank, you know I think the world of ya buddy,

My intention is to first understand what the 'tale', as you call it, is really saying first. To keep an objective mind through the process is only reasonable. I will 'after' finding the holy Bible's true meaning, then and only then will I make an informed and well educated decision as to if it is true or a fairy tale.

You demonstrate you have not yet fully understood the tale so that would not quite qualify you as an expert. Some of your abstract judgments concerning this book are not even founded within the books actual intent I think. A fresh new look at the book is in order Frank.

One must know what the book really says and means if they wish to truly contrast it.


You've lost your power to reason, Rex.

Honestly!

Whether it is fear of the god, as I suppose it to be, or some other pressure...you have lost your power to reason.

I understand the Bible better than you do. I am more objective about the book than you are...despite that you feel the reality is other than that. In fact, it is obvious that several of us here do.

A "fresh new look at the book" is indeed in order, Rex.

Do it!

For your own good...for the sake of your mental health...

...do it.


Mere words Frank, you only know six scriptures.

Here is a new one to add to your list of known scriptures.

2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Comment:
So you can't have a sound mind Frank if you do not receive the spirit of God.

Frank you are not quoting the Bible you are contradicting it and mishandling it to suit your one sided judgmental view of God.

You are living proof that lack of holy spirit fosters a lack of civilized manners.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 05:16 am
Quote:
You are living proof that lack of holy spirit fosters a lack of civilized manners.


Your generalization of Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Pagans, and people of other religious beliefs being without manners is absurd and is itself without manners.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 05:33 am
Quote:
2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Comment:
So you can't have a sound mind Frank if you do not receive the spirit of God.


So, if we don't receive the spirit of god, we are the crazy ones. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense if you are trying to keep a leash on the ignorant, but not someone who actually thinks about his existence. What believers do is start with a fiction, and they know it is a fiction because they call it a faith, and try to create reality. That isn't the spirit of god, that's the wind.

Joe(It's okay to be on your own, you're a grownup)Nation
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:30 am
RexRed wrote:
The Bible specifically states that sin is in the blood.... . .
Where?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:31 am
megamanXplosion wrote:
Quote:
You are living proof that lack of holy spirit fosters a lack of civilized manners.


Your generalization of Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Pagans, and people of other religious beliefs being without manners is absurd and is itself without manners.
Yeah, Rex. Get a hold of yerself.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:34 am
Joe Nation wrote:
(It's okay to be on your own, you're a grownup)


At least in the sense of maturity, that was an unwarranted assumption.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:37 am
This is entertaining:

"Dr. Dino Down - on 58 Federal Counts

Quote:
Evangelist arrested on federal charges


Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com

A Pensacola evangelist who owns the defunct Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola was arrested Thursday on 58 federal charges, including failing to pay $473,818 in employee-related taxes and making threats against investigators ...


... Judge Davis released the Hovinds from custody pending their trial, which will be scheduled during their arraignment at 2 p.m. Monday.

Over Kent Hovind's protests, the judge took away his passport and guns Hovind claimed belonged to his church.

Hovind argued that he needs his passport to continue his evangelism work. He said "thousands and thousands" are waiting to hear him preach in South Africa next month.

But Davis agreed with Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Heldmyer, who argued that "like-minded people" might secret Hovind away if he left the country.

As for the guns, Davis said "ownership was not the issue."

Kent Hovind also has had run-ins with state authorities.

In April, Circuit Judge Michael Allen ordered the buildings at Dinosaur Adventure Land closed because Hovind failed to obtain a building permit during the 2002 construction. The outdoor theme park was allowed to stay open.

Members of Creation Science Evangelism said at the time that building permits violated their "deeply held" religious beliefs.

While the building permit case was tied up in a four-year court battle, ownership of the theme park was turned over to Glen Stoll, who works with Hovind on legal issues and is based in Washington.

Last year, the U.S. attorney in Seattle filed a lawsuit against Stoll, charging him with encouraging people to avoid tax payments by claiming to be religious entities, according to news reports.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:40 am
just came back to seewhat Ive missed in the last 2 days of your 'dialogue"> It appears that Ive missed nothing. We still are engaged in a discussion which is a minor corollary to Godwins Law. That is, "when two debators of opposing religious positions attempt mutual "enlightenment", their conversations shall remain at an equal distance for infinity"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:40 am
I don't see what your beef is Big Bird . . . it appears to me that Hovind and Stoll moved very methodically, one might even allege scientifically, to avoid their tax liabilities and to fleece the public.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:46 am
OOOH, now thats interesting Timber. Hovind was always , if not fully rational, at least entertaining. He was always a big "summarizor" of Creationst beliefs and was able to keep a room electrified. I shall miss his presence as he goes off to do 5 to 10.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 09:01 am
Quote:
Last year, the U.S. attorney in Seattle filed a lawsuit against Stoll, charging him with encouraging people to avoid tax payments by claiming to be religious entities, according to news reports.


I have decided to reveal myself: from now on you must address me as Yo Holy Holiness, Gran Dithda of Love.

Joe(every day is a my birthday, send a card with money)Nation
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real life
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 09:19 am
timberlandko wrote:
............ the writings of the early Church Fathers are not independent of scripture, they derive directly from, are wholly dependent upon, and claim authority through scripture.


I guess then that everyone who quotes Shakespeare, IS Shakespeare.

Keep it up timber. Priceless entertainment.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 09:30 am
Timber, you don't find it remarkable that a religious belief founded only on smoke and mirrors has persisted so vigorously until this day?

Certainly it could not have been for the economic, political or military power of its 1st century adherents. And surely it can't be through the adulterations of the word which have slithered through Christendom for 1900 + years.

Gotta be something else.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 10:58 am
Hovind and his Jurassic Park is a riot. The leviathan is completely mythological. The name leviathan means "coiled." There is no large animal with crocodile-like scales, breathes fire, and coils up like a snake. And no, not even a dinosaur fits this description. The Behemoth, however, was a real animal but it was also not a dinosaur. It was a hippo. The verse about the tail being like a cedar was describing its penis. All of the federal crimes he committed to keep his dinosaur-land running was inspired by a hippo penis. Just think about it: one dick screwed another.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 11:20 am
real life wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
............ the writings of the early Church Fathers are not independent of scripture, they derive directly from, are wholly dependent upon, and claim authority through scripture.


I guess then that everyone who quotes Shakespeare, IS Shakespeare.

Keep it up timber. Priceless entertainment.

Another idiotic straw man absurdity - but then, you're doing all you can with what you've got.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 11:24 am
neologist wrote:
Timber, you don't find it remarkable that a religious belief founded only on smoke and mirrors has persisted so vigorously until this day?

Certainly it could not have been for the economic, political or military power of its 1st century adherents. And surely it can't be through the adulterations of the word which have slithered through Christendom for 1900 + years.

Gotta be something else.

Not at all surprising - Buddism, Hinduism, and astrology are older than Christianity and still going strong. Smoke and mirrors always has had tremendous market appeal and great staying power.
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