Bible vs. Science

Setanta wrote:

Another interesting point is that she was "taken in adultery, in the very act" of adultery. So, how did they accomplish that? Were they laying for her--was this a set-up?

I do love the misogynistic hypocricy, too--where was the man who would also have been caught in the act? Oh yeah, not a sin for him . . .

See above

Intrepid wrote:

Setanta wrote:

Another interesting point is that she was "taken in adultery, in the very act" of adultery. So, how did they accomplish that? Were they laying for her--was this a set-up?

I do love the misogynistic hypocricy, too--where was the man who would also have been caught in the act? Oh yeah, not a sin for him . . .

See above

Sarcasm escapes you just as humor does, huh, Jim?

Is there a difference between should be stoned and must be stoned?

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

John 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.



Was it proven that the woman broke the law? Why would the scribes and Pharisees walk away if they were not convinced of her guilt? In the end, nobody condemned her. No law was broken according to the accusers.

Nice try.

But read the passage over again.

There seems to be no doubt that the woman was caught in the act of adultery.

The passage cannot be explained, Intrepid...and only people unwilling to see the silliness of the Bible will try.

JESUS DID NOT "KEEP THE LAW" IN THIS INSTANCE.

Nice try, Frank. First we must look at the agenda of the Pharasees. It was to trap Jesus. It is not proven that the woman committed the crime, it is only alleged to see if they could trap Jesus.

Neither of us can absolutely prove their contention.

Nice try, Intrepid, but no cigar.

Jesus didn't say, "Can you prove the adultery." He merely looked around for someone to throw the first stone.

The passage says that the woman was caught in the act.

C'mon!

Nonsense, i intended every bit of the sarcasm in that post.

Her accusers walked away and Jesus did'nt catch her in the act. Those who caught her in the act refused to cast the stones.

Frank,

So, are you trying to say that God was wrong when He gave the laws? God was wrong? If that's what you are saying, then the next logical thought (for me) is Jesus was speaking against His father?

Jesus did not "keep the law"...nor did he advise the others to "keep the law." He saw the law for the piece of shyt it is...and rejected it.

They were surrounded by enemies who were even more philosophically grotesque.

Frank Apisa wrote:

They were surrounded by enemies who were even more philosophically grotesque.

I can't accept that. There is no evidence other than the Jews, who cannot be considered unbiased witnesses. Given the tenor of the times, based on reliable historical records, the odds are that their neighbors were no worse, nor any better, than Gee-hova's chosen hit men.

Unless Jesus himself caught this woman in the act he by Jewish law would require an eye witness or at least two who would testify against her in a trial.

The scribes and pharisees were tempting Jesus because it was against Roman law to stone people for adultery.

noyes he would have broken Roman law and if he had answered yes he would have broken Mosaic law.

Since no one as a direct result of this incident accused Jesus of breaking either law you have no case Frank.

Comment:
Yet in doing so Jesus showed that the law of Moses was weak. An inner law of love was greater than both (Roman and Mosaic) laws.

Jesus fulfilled the law he did not "break" the law Frank.

In any case, you can see that this was another attempt by early Christians to build up Jesus' image.

The smart ones are on television, makin' millions off all the silly little old ladies who scrimp and save from their Social Security checks to send in $20 . . .

Frank Apisa wrote:

In any case, you can see that this was another attempt by early Christians to build up Jesus' image.

How do you know this?

If he saw the law as a piece of shyt and rejected it then why did he tell her to go and sin no more.