neologist wrote:timberlandko wrote:One who actually has studied not just a particular Bible or two, but who objectively, dispassionately, rigorously has studied the Bible, its various traditions and translations, its history and development from its origins through its assorted canonizations all the way to its present-day representations, its antecedents, its cross-cultural contemporaries, and the cultures, traditions, and literatures of what has come to be Western Civilization, can come to no other conclusion but that The Bible is folklore.
'Zat yer argument, timber?
Smart guys don't believe the Bible?
Tsk! No scone for you.
You disappoint me, Neo - you don't often toss out straw man arguments.
Henry Morris had what we call an "applied SCience" Advanced degree from U of Minn(I believe, its one of them iced in states) He rec'd anMAS/E in the mid 1940's. However he was a hydraulics engineer with another mnajor in geology. Remember thatThe degrees dont define the credibility, Henry was a devout literal Young Earther from his childhood days, and his choice of grad degrees was done on purpose.
Henry's take off from "the Deluge Society" was one of the biggest leaps of faith that Creationists tried to use to establish some degree of credibility on
"Flood geology". He, as much as anyone, became the real rally person for young Earth Creationists. They make up elaborate theories based upon no data, presumed gaps in start/paleo, and touted areas in science where data did not exist at the time. Morris's major works were in the 50's and 60's and , as paleontologists gradually began to fill in the admitted gaps in fossil records, Morris's lightbulb began to fail and Creationism became more involved with legalistic and Constitutional matters.When that failed, they made up ID.
The fact that nobody has any idea where to look for such a thing as an ark, plus its unknown nature, merely presents more evidence that the Bible is a book of beautiful folk tales and lssons about living.
When i was a teen I picked up a book about the great pyramid of gisa and it explained in great detail how the main hallway in the great pyramid forecast the events for the next 5,000 years. I was pretty amazed because the author had a PhD in divinity so he must have known what he was talking about.
When i was just a liddle boy, my grandmother made a "white fudge" candy--corn syrup, sugar, vanilla and a few other things, i suspect. She called it "divinity." Imagine my surprise when i learned you could get an advanced degree in that subject.
Arella Mae wrote:...It doesn't seem to matter to you that it has been explained we are not under Mosaic Law and those punishments don't apply.
If "We" are not under Mosaic Law then why do Christians get upset about the 10 Commandments being removed from public places?
Arella Mae wrote:...It doesn't seem to matter to you that it has been explained we are not under Mosaic Law and those punishments don't apply.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention again, J_B.
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)
A detailed commentary on Jesus and the law can be found
at this page of "bible truths-dot-net."
Setanta wrote:When i was just a liddle boy, my grandmother made a "white fudge" candy--corn syrup, sugar, vanilla and a few other things, i suspect. She called it "divinity." Imagine my surprise when i learned you could get an advanced degree in that subject.
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Arella Mae wrote:...It doesn't seem to matter to you that it has been explained we are not under Mosaic Law and those punishments don't apply.
Well they sure seem to patch things together in this country.
timberlandko wrote:Setanta wrote:When i was just a liddle boy, my grandmother made a "white fudge" candy--corn syrup, sugar, vanilla and a few other things, i suspect. She called it "divinity." Imagine my surprise when i learned you could get an advanced degree in that subject.
On heavy stock, with embossed gilt-look seals, for only $250, plus shipping & handling, add $25 for an attractive wood-tone frame.
Damn ! ! !
Hey, Big Bird, the check's in the mail ! ! !
timberlandko wrote:neologist wrote:timberlandko wrote:One who actually has studied not just a particular Bible or two, but who objectively, dispassionately, rigorously has studied the Bible, its various traditions and translations, its history and development from its origins through its assorted canonizations all the way to its present-day representations, its antecedents, its cross-cultural contemporaries, and the cultures, traditions, and literatures of what has come to be Western Civilization, can come to no other conclusion but that The Bible is folklore.
'Zat yer argument, timber?
Smart guys don't believe the Bible?
Tsk! No scone for you.
You disappoint me, Neo - you don't often toss out straw man arguments.
Bandwagon fallacy, Timber. What else should I say?
Alright, you can have a scone. Sheesh!
Arella Mae wrote:megamanXplosion Wrote:
Quote:...I would love to see if you are actually capable of studying the Bible in a critical, unapologetically-honest, way.
And I would love to see if you are actually capable of getting your point across without throwing in a little jab?
I have gotten my point across: you are afraid of researching the things I mentioned. As far as I am concerned, one shouldn't jump in the ring and begin dodging and weaving without expecting someone to throw a jab.
Quote:Guess we'd both feel we would be disappointed in each other, huh?
I guess we both feel you cannot answer any Bible question unapologetically, huh? (Jab!)
MegamanXplosion,
You take care. I will not share jabs with you any further.
I hope nobody minds if I attempt to shed some light on this item. The Mosaic law in the New Testament believer's life can be different than what some might expect. Not everyone looks at it the same way.
There is an emphases, in the New Testament, especially through the words of Paul, that Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law. We can read this in Romans, Galations, Corinthians etc.
Some insist that the Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments) are still in force for the Christian. However, the New Testament makes it clear that believers in Christ are no longer under the Mosaic law. This does not mean that they are to break these laws, it means that they are in the age of grace and justified by faith to follow the teachings of Jesus. This includes in Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Of course, I cannot answer why some in the U.S. fight for the 10 commandments to be in public buildings. I suspect it has more to do with power than with Christianity.
Intrepid wrote:I hope nobody minds if I attempt to shed some light on this item. The Mosaic law in the New Testament believer's life can be different than what some might expect. Not everyone looks at it the same way.
There is an emphases, in the New Testament, especially through the words of Paul, that Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law. We can read this in Romans, Galations, Corinthians etc.
Some insist that the Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments) are still in force for the Christian. However, the New Testament makes it clear that believers in Christ are no longer under the Mosaic law. This does not mean that they are to break these laws, it means that they are in the age of grace and justified by faith to follow the teachings of Jesus. This includes in Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Of course, I cannot answer why some in the U.S. fight for the 10 commandments to be in public buildings. I suspect it has more to do with power than with Christianity.
How about if we replace those ten commandment monuments with monuments that have one commandment. LOVE GOD AND YOUR NEIGHBOR?
I think most Christians would go along with that.
RexRed wrote:Intrepid wrote:I hope nobody minds if I attempt to shed some light on this item. The Mosaic law in the New Testament believer's life can be different than what some might expect. Not everyone looks at it the same way.
There is an emphases, in the New Testament, especially through the words of Paul, that Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law. We can read this in Romans, Galations, Corinthians etc.
Some insist that the Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments) are still in force for the Christian. However, the New Testament makes it clear that believers in Christ are no longer under the Mosaic law. This does not mean that they are to break these laws, it means that they are in the age of grace and justified by faith to follow the teachings of Jesus. This includes in Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Of course, I cannot answer why some in the U.S. fight for the 10 commandments to be in public buildings. I suspect it has more to do with power than with Christianity.
How about if we replace those ten commandment monuments with monuments that have one commandment. LOVE GOD AND YOUR NEIGHBOR?
I think most Christians would go along with that.
This is not, and never has been, a Christian country.
The bottom line is NOT whether or not you folks think we are or are not under the Mosaic Laws...
...but whether or not the god of the Bible at any point advised people to do some of the things this pathetic, comic book god advised people to do.
The best possible guess that can be made about the god of the Bible is that it was invented by ancient Hebrews who needed a disgusting, murderous, barbaric, petty god to protect themselves fromt the disgusting, murderous, barbaric, petty gods of their enemies.
Anyone still worshipping this god really should have his/her head examined.
RexRed wrote:Intrepid wrote:I hope nobody minds if I attempt to shed some light on this item. The Mosaic law in the New Testament believer's life can be different than what some might expect. Not everyone looks at it the same way.
There is an emphases, in the New Testament, especially through the words of Paul, that Christians are no longer under the rule of the Mosaic law. We can read this in Romans, Galations, Corinthians etc.
Some insist that the Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments) are still in force for the Christian. However, the New Testament makes it clear that believers in Christ are no longer under the Mosaic law. This does not mean that they are to break these laws, it means that they are in the age of grace and justified by faith to follow the teachings of Jesus. This includes in Romans 6:14, "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace."
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Of course, I cannot answer why some in the U.S. fight for the 10 commandments to be in public buildings. I suspect it has more to do with power than with Christianity.
How about if we replace those ten commandment monuments with monuments that have one commandment. LOVE GOD AND YOUR NEIGHBOR?
I think most Christians would go along with that.
How about instead we have monments that suggest we love one another...
...and fuk all your gods?
