Bible vs. Science

Intrepid wrote:

Unlike you, I have nothing to prove. I believe what I believe because I choose to believe.

Yes indeed . . . there's a term for that, you know . . . invincible ignorance.

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Setanta wrote:

. . . Your objections are largely based on contradictions of the text of the Bobble. Are you familiar with the word "irony," Rex?

Set has you on that, Rex. I can't help ya no matter how much I believe.

'Cept he keeps misspelling the word bible.

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Bible--B-O-B-B-L-E--what's your problem, Boss?

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Setanta wrote:

Bible--B-O-B-B-L-E--what's your problem, Boss?

What's your problem, that you can't be opposed to religious people without ridicule?

(he said, bracing for impact...)

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snood wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Bible--B-O-B-B-L-E--what's your problem, Boss?

What's your problem, that you can't be opposed to religious people without ridicule?

(he said, bracing for impact...)

He is merely making fun of the accents that many (American) Christians have. I live in Kentucky and they do tend to have funny accents. I hear people all the time talking about how they are going to roll down their car "winder," go to the field to pick some "smoken backer," make pizzas with "mater" sauce, and occassionally reading their "Bobble." In Indiana, where I lived before, the everyday accent was more akin to the accent used by news reporters. The kentucky accent is to my ear what a needle is to my eye. I think it is fairly humorous when someone pokes fun at the accent. Heck, even Catholics do it sometimes (Tawkin' Ta Dead Folk).

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Marvelous, Megaman . . . in all the years at this site and at AFUZZ, you're the first one for whom the nickel has dropped on the subject of the word "bobble." You hear that a lot from Southern Babdists.

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Set you make a cubit large enough to make the boat the size of a football field... Nowhere in the Bible is a cubit defined. So you do not know how big the boat was. Yet you make it so enormous that it could not float. Typical...

You ignore that fact that maybe Noah's expertise with wood surpassed that of our today. Just as the pyramids and obelisks of Egypt are still today a wonder to modern architecture. Micro thin copper or aluminum could have been attached to the hull. The wood with some calking and putty and sap could have sealed the boat up quite nicely they did NOT have to have even one leak. The story does not mention that the boat leaked so they must have had that problem licked.

The boat was only in the water for so long. These dates could pertain to different events like when the rain stopped, when the water stopped rising, when the boat rested and when it was safe to venture out.

Noah was given the job of building the boat as an old man but he may have ALSO been a boat builder by partial trade considering they were near the mediterranean in Turkey.

Also the basin of the black sea is far below the sea level of the Mediterranean. (again something you haven't considered) So if the mediterranean was pouring into the black sea basin it would have looked like it was pouring out of the sky.

Noah may have lived for 600 years because of diet and lack of human pathogens. He may have eaten plants that are extinct now (mana or similar) for instance... that prolonged life sharply.

Also when God says EVERY creature (clean and unclean) that does not mean ALL creatures. I bet you didn't consider that. (along with allot of this you have not considered)

Set you are interpreting the story again with a western mind and with a touch of Hollywood.

As I said the boat only needed to float about a month It may have rested on the bottom but shallow water surrounded them for miles. When were they able to actually depart the boat. (none of this you take into consideration)

The boat could sit in shallow water and still the people/livestock were not able to depart from the boat for months.

It does not have to be floating all this time. Who knows how they calked and puttied the boat. They may have had techniques that are LOST to todays boat builders. The USA has been building boats for 200 years? Noah's people had thousands of years of history.

With a bit of un-coerced brain storming solutions can be provided for most of your objections Set.

But you would rather abruptly point out the "errors" in the story which I supply are errors in "your" understanding and not errors in the text.

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RexRed wrote:

Set you make a cubit large enough to make the boat the size of a football field... Nowhere in the Bible is a cubit defined. So you do not know how big the boat was. Yet you make it so enormous that it could not float. Typical...

The only thing typical here is your complete inability to comprehend what has been said to you. The actual size of the boat doesn't matter--it is the proportions of the vessel which make it unseaworthy.

The rest of that is just more of your silly musings, for which you don't have the authority of the text of the bobble. In short, you just make sh!t up as you go along.

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Setanta wrote:

In short, you just make sh!t up as you go along.

Well yeah, but it's really entertaining ****.

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Setanta wrote:

Marvelous, Megaman . . . in all the years at this site and at AFUZZ, you're the first one for whom the nickel has dropped on the subject of the word "bobble." You hear that a lot from Southern Babdists.

Really? I didn't know that... Well that explains that.

There's still that troubling habit you have of calling things you don't believe in, "horsie-poop" and the like, that would be hard to attach to the southern dialect thing...

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rex,

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You ignore that fact that maybe Noah's expertise with wood surpassed that of our today. Just as the pyramids and obelisks of Egypt are still today a wonder to modern architecture. Micro thin copper or aluminum could have been attached to the hull.

Noah prefered DeWAlt portable tools, they use those Li/Cd batteries that are so long lasting and easily charged up.

A pyramid or obelisk are merely curiosities to us. We wonder how did such early people manage to accomplish building them/ Theyre hardly a "wonder" to modern architecture. Ever notice this really huuge obelisk in Washington DC?, we dont wonder too much about the guys who built that.

Microthin copper ok, but they only had the capabilities to smelt high grade ore not oxides, as far as Aluminum,
Noah would have needed electricity to produce that.

IMHO, if Noah really wanted a good stiff boat, he should have used a reinforced concrete hull.
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And he wouldn't have ended up half-way up Mt Ararat had he had satellite navigation for which we ought to give thanks to our Faustian religious principles,and for much else, at least three times a day in the rare quiet devotional moments we have time for.

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Rex wrote:

Noah may have lived for 600 years because of diet and lack of human pathogens. He may have eaten plants that are extinct now (mana or similar) for instance... that prolonged life sharply.

Now this is funny. There were no human pathogens in those days. Mind you we are speaking of 2500 B.C. So I suppose no one died of any illness that was caused by bacteria or virus in those days. So when did bacterias and viruses that were deadly to humans first make their appearance?

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One of the H heidelbergensis fossils has an example of a serious (and probably mortal) absecc in the guys jaw that had eaten its way into the sinus cavity.It probably was one of these non-existent pathogens that caused his demise.

Numerous fossil mammals and dinosaurs show severe inflammations of bone joints and long bones. Many were loaded with caries that showed that the bones were just eaten away.
This kind of disproves the "lack of pathogens " hypothesis.

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snood wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Marvelous, Megaman . . . in all the years at this site and at AFUZZ, you're the first one for whom the nickel has dropped on the subject of the word "bobble." You hear that a lot from Southern Babdists.

Really? I didn't know that... Well that explains that.

There's still that troubling habit you have of calling things you don't believe in, "horsie-poop" and the like, that would be hard to attach to the southern dialect thing...

Nonsense . . . i just told Rex that he makes sh!t up . . . but if that were, say Miss McLaws--you know, from over to Angiers way, who lives across from where that petting zoo used to be, the one who always comes in and buys a BC powder and a cold drink? Now, to her, i would say horsie poop, just so as not to be too crude. So, think of it as a form of consideration in the act of exposing your manure for its obvious horise poop character . . .

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dyslexia wrote:

Setanta wrote:
In short, you just make sh!t up as you go along.

Well yeah, but it's really entertaining ****.

Can't argue with that . . .

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farmerman wrote:

IMHO, if Noah really wanted a good stiff boat, he should have used a reinforced concrete hull.

You know, the Koreans do that--for coastal barges and such--they can do just about anything with concrete and in the way of paving--their highways are dream-like compared to the Interstates we slog along.

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Setanta wrote:

snood wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Marvelous, Megaman . . . in all the years at this site and at AFUZZ, you're the first one for whom the nickel has dropped on the subject of the word "bobble." You hear that a lot from Southern Babdists.

Really? I didn't know that... Well that explains that.

There's still that troubling habit you have of calling things you don't believe in, "horsie-poop" and the like, that would be hard to attach to the southern dialect thing...

Nonsense . . . i just told Rex that he makes sh!t up . . . but if that were, say Miss McLaws--you know, from over to Angiers way, who lives across from where that petting zoo used to be, the one who always comes in and buys a BC powder and a cold drink? Now, to her, i would say horsie poop, just so as not to be too crude. So, think of it as a form of consideration in the act of exposing your manure for its obvious horise poop character . . .

Oh, what's the use. You're incorrigible.

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The Kim Jong Ill Freeway

Kim Ill Sung autobahn

Phuk Ill Baht motorway

just imagining, no offence to DRNK road engineers

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If I may ask a question of you, Xingu, since you started this thread. What is the use in starting these threads? I don't mean just "your side or views" I mean my side and all the sides inbetween?

If we are doing it to enlighten each other or perhaps impart some truth that someone else doesn't have I can deal with that. But, is that what it is? To be honest with you, Xingu, I know that at times, I would start a thread knowing full well it was going to start something. I don't mean start an argument, but I knew it would't be a peaceful co-existence. And for that intent, I'm wrong in doing it. I don't feel you have that intent to start anything and there are quite a few others I don't perceive that intent from.

I have learned a lot about science, history, and other things from many on these forums. I don't have the education some have and it's frustrating I know for some because my questions may seem pretty common sense to them.

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