Abortion.What do you think about it?

Frank Apisa wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:

I do suppose alot of people feel that we need to cut down on the population, but this isn't the way.

I agree.

I say we breed more lions.

Way too many Christians for the number we've got now.

Are you a Leo?

Im not on either side here but if people copulate and the sperm doesnt hit the egg it is not a fertilized egg hence no embryo.
It is just a seperate egg, seperate sperm, no murdering occurs.

material girl wrote:

Im not on either side here but if people copulate and the sperm doesnt hit the egg it is not a fertilized egg hence no embryo.
It is just a seperate egg, seperate sperm, no murdering occurs.

This is exactly right.

Unfortunately many pro-aborts don't seem to know the difference between fertilization and the lack thereof.

Or they like to pretend they don't.

Or they are hoping you don't.

But for the people who want to pretend they are walking the high moral ground by opposing a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...

Well my belief in abortion is that it is wrong, many women who get abortions, especially later on in pregnancy regret it later life.The what if factor remains in their mind and can cause serious mind issues.

I know there are circumstances where an abortion is viable, but surely within the first 10 weeks should be more than enough. I am fortunate enough to live in a country where abortion is still illegal (Northern ireland), although this has stemmed a rise in teenagers with prams at least the young lifes have not been unduely ended.

Frank Apisa wrote:

But for the people who want to pretend they are walking the high moral ground by opposing a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...

I don't think its taking the moral high ground by opposing a womans right to terminate, theres plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Maybe if you look at it in a different light, what if a man didn't want the pregnancy, should he have the right to terminate the mother-to-be.

Anyway i believe in some countries you can abort up to 25 weeks, I have a nephew who was born at 24 weeks, weighed less than 1lb and survived, does that make him any less ahuman because he was born prior to the last date of possible abortion ? No he is still a person, and his life should be protected, killing so that you can have more reckless fun is wrong, and no matter how you look at it, this is why people abort.

Well my belief in abortion is that it is wrong, many women who get abortions, especially later on in pregnancy regret it later life. The what if factor remains in their mind and can cause serious mind issues. I know there are circumstances where an abortion is viable, but surely within the first 10 weeks should be more than enough. I am fortunate enough to live in a country where abortion is still illegal (Northern ireland), although this has stemmed a rise in teenagers with prams at least the young lifes have not been unduely ended.

Frank Apisa wrote:

But for the people who want to pretend they are walking the high moral ground by opposing a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...

I don't think its taking the moral high ground by opposing a womans right to terminate, theres plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Maybe if you look at it in a different light, what if a man didn't want the pregnancy, should he have the right to terminate the mother-to-be.

Anyway i believe in some countries you can abort up to 25 weeks, I have a nephew who was born at 24 weeks, weighed less than 1lb and survived, does that make him any less ahuman because he was born prior to the last date of possible abortion ? No he is still a person, and his life should be protected, killing so that you can have more reckless fun is wrong, and no matter how you look at it, this is why people abort.

Excellent points.

The man does NOT have the right to terminate the unborn. Why? Because while the man certainly has the right over his own body, the unborn has a body of it's own.

The unborn is also not 'part of the woman's body.' Any doctor (and many 7th grade biology students) will be able to tell you that the unborn has a distinct DNA pattern that is NOT the same as his/her mother's.

Anyone looking at this from a medical viewpoint cannot escape the conclusion that the unborn has a body of his/her own, and is not 'a part of the mother's body.'

But that's ok, I understand that you don't want to respond to these hypotheticals because you are uncomfortable with the answers that you might have to give. Let me, then, ask you a non-hypothetical: what is your position on the birth control pill?

As I've said before, I don't care about those issues. It's not that I'm avoiding them, it's that I find them inconsequential. But, to make you happy, you may assume (for the purposes of argument) that I take the following positions:
1. all abortions are performed for purely frivolous reasons;
2. life begins at the moment of conception.

I understand why you think that (2) is important to your position, but why is (1) of any importance? Why does it matter that women choose to have abortions for reasons of convenience? If women universally chose abortion for reasons other than convenience, would you then support abortion?

real life wrote:

Doctors who violate abortion laws should do time and lose their medical license.

Lose their medical license? Why stop there? If a fetus/embryo/blastocyst is a living human being, then abortion is murder and an abortionist is a murderer. In most states, that means that an abortionist could face life imprisonment or the death penalty. Why, then, aren't you advocating capital punishment for abortionists?

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CAN YOU NOT GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL THAT THE FACT THAT EVEN IF ALL THAT IS TRUE...THE GROWTH IS OCCURRING INSIDE THE BODY OF A HUMAN BEING WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THAT GROWTH.

It is still murder, the baby is a seperate entity to the mother, its not like removing a wart. So if someone is inside my house does that give me the right to murder then because they sat on my seat ? Remember its my house...

Abortion is wrong, if the woman didn't want a child then they should have kept their legs closed, went on the pill, took the injection or made the man wear a condom, theres is no excuse.

People say, what about rape victims, well there is the morning after pill.

Abortion, especially later on in pregnancy is violent and painful, TBH I wouldn't like some crazed doctor crushing my head, for God sake animal have more rights to painless death than unborn babies.

Do anti abortion people feel the same about the electric chair/hanging?

material girl wrote:

Do anti abortion people feel the same about the electric chair/hanging?

Yes, and the reason I am against abortion is the simply fact that its murder.

People say, what about rape victims, well there is the morning after pill.

BDV you have gone very quiet.

Do anti abortion people feel the same about the electric chair/hanging?

material girl wrote:

LOL I was making a cup of tea, I have a 3 story house and its a trek to get up and down to the kitchen, anyway, keeping legs together may be insulting, but is unprotected sex not very danagerous with the amount of diseases floating about ? The point I am trying to put accross is if a woman is going to play the field, (which she has every right too) then she is as responsible for protection as the man is, unfortuately us men tend to be very careless, abortion isn't the answer for carelessness.

Morning after pill is not murder, its a precaution, there is no definate answer to pregnancy at this time, actually probably very unlikely, and even if so the unborn child is in no way developed, or even has a brain. I have seen a 1lb baby (24 weeks) and it was very much alive, not something to kill

I agree unprotected sex is VERY dangerous and i recomend all kinds of contraception.
When you say play the field do you mean sleep with people other than their childhood sweetheart?
Forgive my 'unsettledness' to this question but us ladies are called slags if we even look at a guy.
Just dating/sleeping with guys a woman likes isnt necessarily playing the field, if we get dumped after the first night we move on.

Im sure you said life started at the point of conception.
If a babys life starts straight after fertilisation, a baby will be growing way before the chemist opens to get a morning after pill.
I dont think its a precaution.The Pill is a precaution taken before sex.
The Morning after pill is to get rid of anything forming, hence its taken after the event, hence murder.

Your opinions sound very contradictory.

material girl wrote:

Do anti abortion people feel the same about the electric chair/hanging?

Hi material girl,

I think we all could agree that executing someone convicted of a heinous crime by due legal process and deliberation by a jury of their peers ----

--isn't very much analogous to extermination of an innocent party, charged and convicted of nothing , with no due process.