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Bush Backs Brother Jeb for White House

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2006 12:37 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
How does victory in Iraq not being just around the corner prove anything?

Are you saying you disagree with Donald Rumsfeld's assessment that the current troubles are just the last fight of a few desparate holdouts? Remarks like yours convey a sort of naysayer-defeatism that I really find unpatriotic.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2006 06:39 pm
Thomas wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
How does victory in Iraq not being just around the corner prove anything?

Are you saying you disagree with Donald Rumsfeld's assessment that the current troubles are just the last fight of a few desparate holdouts? Remarks like yours convey a sort of naysayer-defeatism that I really find unpatriotic.

I'm saying that a war not being won quickly and easily proves neither that it shouldn't have been commenced, nor that it's being implemented poorly. Go ahead and try to change the subject again, if that's your best strategy.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 01:53 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
I'm saying that a war not being won quickly and easily proves neither that it shouldn't have been commenced, nor that it's being implemented poorly. Go ahead and try to change the subject again, if that's your best strategy.

Oh, but the subject of this thread isn't "War in Iraq shouldn't have been commenced, is implemented poorly". It is "Bush backs brother Jeb for White House." People here are making fun of George W. Bush's war rhetoric because it reflects his administration's culture of suppressing inconvenient truths, and of smearing and firing people for pointing them out.

The memory of this culture may well make American voters decline to vote for a president Jeb Bush. Pointing this out is not "changing the subject". It is an important part of the subject.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 12:33 pm
Thomas wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
I'm saying that a war not being won quickly and easily proves neither that it shouldn't have been commenced, nor that it's being implemented poorly. Go ahead and try to change the subject again, if that's your best strategy.

Oh, but the subject of this thread isn't "War in Iraq shouldn't have been commenced, is implemented poorly". It is "Bush backs brother Jeb for White House." People here are making fun of George W. Bush's war rhetoric because it reflects his administration's culture of suppressing inconvenient truths, and of smearing and firing people for pointing them out.

The memory of this culture may well make American voters decline to vote for a president Jeb Bush. Pointing this out is not "changing the subject". It is an important part of the subject.

I may properly respond to anything that is said in this thread, especially if it's said repeatedly and by multiple people. To the extent that the references to victory being "just around the corner" are intended to be a comment about "suppressing inconvenient truths," I have insufficient interest to comment at this time. However, to the extent that there is an implication that the speed of progress in prosecuting the war indicates either that the war ought not to have been entered into, or that it's being prosecuted incompetently, it's completely false for the reasons I state above. Just and necessary wars being prosecuted competently may still be difficult to win.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 01:06 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
To the extent that the references to victory being "just around the corner" are intended to be a comment about "suppressing inconvenient truths," I have insufficient interest to comment at this time.

Your interest certainly was sufficient to falsely accuse me of changing the subject when I brought it up. But I respect your interests, and won't discuss the matter with you any further.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 05:16 am
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US right looks to Bush the younger

Sarah Baxter in Washington



WITH an approval rating of 63%, one Bush is riding high in the polls. But his first name is Jeb and he will be out of office by January. Republicans who think he is too good a politician to waste are hoping to persuade the governor of Florida to become Senator John McCain's running mate in the 2008 presidential election.
President George W Bush's younger brother is keeping busy during his final months in power after running one of America's most critical swing states for nearly eight years. Next month he is travelling to Britain and Ireland for nine days on behalf of "Team Florida", visiting Farnborough air show and promoting local business links.



British officials believe it is an unusually long stay for an outgoing governor, which suggests he has a wider agenda. In April he visited Afghanistan and Iraq, an essential trip for presidential hopefuls.

"If only his last name was Smith," sighed Fred Barnes in The Weekly Standard, the right-wing political magazine. "He'd be the prohibitive frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008."

In The Family, a book about the Bush dynasty, Kitty Kelley recounts how in 1998, George W and Jeb, then both governors, were asked about the presidency. "Listen, I didn't want to grow up wanting to be president of the United States," said George W.

"I did," said Jeb.

"Yeah," George W replied. "You did."

There was more than a touch of sibling rivalry. Jeb was regarded as more gifted and able than George W, the black sheep, who drank too much. But the younger Bush, now 53 and 6ft 4in tall, has had to shelve his White House ambitions, at least temporarily, on the grounds that America has had its fill of Bushes (their father, George H Bush was the 41st president). "He knows he has to wait it out," said Barnes.

Bush remains popular because of his record in creating jobs, cutting taxes and holding down spending, his support for family values ?- despite daughter Noelle's experience of drug addiction ?- and promotion of educational reform. George W said twice last month Jeb would make "a great president", prompting him to rule it out.

That still leaves a vacancy for what for many Republicans would be a dream ticket: McCain-Bush in 2008, with Jeb Bush making up for McCain's more prickly relationship with traditional conservatives.

Bush's Hispanic wife could help to attract Latino voters, a key constituency that Karl Rove, George W's electoral guru, has been courting heavily. His popularity in Florida could virtually guarantee that state for the Republicans.

In December McCain travelled to Florida for a private lunch with Bush, where he is thought to have sounded him out about working together. Mark McKinnon, George W's media adviser in the 2000 and 2004 elections, who has teamed up with McCain, accompanied the Arizona senator on the trip.

"Jeb Bush will be on anybody's shortlist [for vice-president]," McKinnon said. "He's got incredible experience, unqualified conservative credentials and he brings Florida. It's the trifecta." ......




Now, running as vice with McCain, I doubt people would be as wary.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 06:00 am
Vice President Jeb Bush was sworn in as Pesident today following the tragic and mysterious death of President John McCain.....I can see it now.... Laughing
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 07:26 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Vice President Jeb Bush was sworn in as Pesident today following the tragic and mysterious death of President John McCain.....I can see it now.... Laughing

McCain should have known better than to go hunting with Dick Cheney. Laughing
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