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Amazing... Bush creates his own line item veto

 
 
Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 05:21 pm
The balls on this guy just blows me away... Exclamation

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NEWS ANALYSIS
How Bush sidesteps intent of Congress
Instead of vetoing bills, he officially disregards portions with which he doesn't agree


President Bush signed a military spending bill in December that included a hard-fought amendment banning the cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of foreign prisoners. Then he put a statement in the Federal Register asserting his right to ignore the ban when necessary, in his judgment, to protect Americans from terrorism.

In March, Bush signed a renewal of search and surveillance provisions of the USA Patriot Act and said at a public ceremony that civil liberties would be protected by a series of new amendments. Then he quietly inserted another statement in the Federal Register that virtually nullified one of those amendments, a requirement that the administration report to Congress on the FBI's use of its powers under the Patriot Act to seize library, bookstore and business records.

Civics textbooks say presidents have two choices when Congress passes a bill that's not completely to their liking: They can sign it into law, or they can veto it and let Congress try to override them.

Bush, far more than any of his predecessors, is resorting to a third option: signing a bill while reserving the right to disregard any part of it that he considers an infringement on his executive authority or constitutional powers.

In more than five years in office, the president has never vetoed a bill. But while approving new laws, he has routinely issued signing statements interpreting the legislation in ways that amount to partial vetoes of provisions to which he objects.

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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 11:12 pm
Bush is indeed acting in an unconstitutional manner in violation of the Presentment Clause in Article I of the Constitution and in violation of the checks and balances that our founders provided by separating government powers among the three branches.

A dictator is defined as a "ruler who is unconstrained by law." The hallmark of our nation has always been that we are a government of laws, not of men. However, Bush has unilaterally relegated our laws to the status of mere advice that he may or may not follow according to his own whims. He refuses to be constrained by the law and has effectively made himself a dictator.

We have been discussing this issue on another thread: The Unitary Executive Branch.

The Supreme Court ruled that line item vetos are unconstitutional because they violate the presentment clause. See Clinton v. City of New York. The President does not have the power to pick and choose what laws shall be given legal force and effect and what laws shall be nullified based on his unilateral determination of constitutionality. All duly-enacted laws are presumed to be constitutional. The power to decide the constitutionality of duly-enacted laws belongs to our courts--not to our president.

However, Bush has usurped Congress's constitutional power as our lawmaking and policy-making branch of the government. Accordingly, he has usurped the people's power to act democratically through our elected representatives in Congress and has turned our country into a lawless autocracy. He evades the checks and balances built into our constitutional system. Not one single law (of the approximately 750 laws) that he has unilaterally declared to be unconstitutional has ever been challenged in court. Bush has deprived our courts of their constitutional role to decide the constitutionality of statutes.

Bush is a lawless autocrat--a despot--a tyrant--a self-appointed dictator--a lawbreaker--a robber baron and a crook. He must be held accountable and face the proverbial firing squad.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 11:24 pm
The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

by John W. Dean

Friday, Jan. 13, 2006

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Presidential signing statements are old news to anyone who has served in the White House counsel's office. Presidents have long used them to add their two cents when a law passed by Congress has provisions they do not like, yet they are not inclined to veto it. Nixon's statements, for example, often related to spending authorization laws which he felt were excessive and contrary to his fiscal policies.

In this column, I'll take a close look at President Bush's use of signing statements. I find these signing statements are to Bush and Cheney's presidency what steroids were to Arnold Schwarzenegger's body building. Like Schwarzenegger with his steroids, Bush does not deny using his signing statements; does not like talking about using them; and believes that they add muscle.

But like steroids, signing statements ultimately lead to serious trouble.

Relying On Command, Rather Than Persuasion

Phillip Cooper is a leading expert on signing statements. His 2002 book, By Order of the President: The Use and Abuse of Executive Direct Action, assesses the uses and abuses of signing statements by presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. Cooper has updated his material in a recent essay for the Presidential Studies Quarterly, to encompass the use of signing statements by now-President Bush as well.

By Cooper's count, George W. Bush issued 23 signing statements in 2001; 34 statements in 2002, raising 168 constitutional objections; 27 statements in 2003, raising 142 constitutional challenges, and 23 statements in 2004, raising 175 constitutional criticisms. In total, during his first term Bush raised a remarkable 505 constitutional challenges to various provisions of legislation that became law.

That number may be approaching 600 challenges by now. Yet Bush has not vetoed a single bill, notwithstanding all these claims, in his own signing statements, that they are unconstitutional insofar as they relate to him.

Rather than veto laws passed by Congress, Bush is using his signing statements to effectively nullify them as they relate to the executive branch. These statements, for him, function as directives to executive branch departments and agencies as to how they are to implement the relevant law.

President Bush and the attorneys advising him may also anticipate that the signing statements will help him if and when the relevant laws are construed in court - for federal courts, depending on their views of executive power, may deem such statements relevant to their interpretation of a given law. After all, the law would not have passed had the President decided to veto it, so arguably, his view on what the law meant ought to (within reason) carry some weight for the court interpreting it. This is the argument, anyway.

Bush has quietly been using these statements to bolster presidential powers. It is a calculated, systematic scheme that has gone largely unnoticed (even though these statements are published in the Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents) until recently, when President Bush's used a signing statement to attempt to nullify the recent, controversial McCain amendment regarding torture, which drew some media attention.

Pumping Up the Bush Presidency With Signing Statements

Generally, Bush's signing statements tend to be brief and very broad, and they seldom cite the authority on which the president is relying for his reading of the law. None has yet been tested in court. But they do appear to be bulking up the powers of the presidency. Here are a few examples:

Suppose a new law requires the President to act in a certain manner - for instance, to report to Congress on how he is dealing with terrorism. Bush's signing statement will flat out reject the law, and state that he will construe the law "in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to withhold information the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the performance of the Executive's constitutional duties."

The upshot? It is as if no law had been passed on the matter at all.

Or suppose a new law suggests even the slightest intrusion into the President's undefined "prerogative powers" under Article II of the Constitution, relating to national security, intelligence gathering, or law enforcement. Bush's signing statement will claim that notwithstanding the clear intent of Congress, which has used mandatory language, the provision will be considered as "advisory."

The upshot? It is as if Congress had acted as a mere advisor, with no more formal power than, say, Karl Rove - not as a coordinate and coequal branch of government, which in fact it is.

As Phillip Cooper observes, the President's signing statements are, in some instances, effectively rewriting the laws by reinterpreting how the law will be implemented. Notably, Cooper finds some of Bush's signing statements - and he has the benefit of judging them against his extensive knowledge of other President's signing statements -- "excessive, unhelpful, and needlessly confrontational."

The Constitutional and Practical Problems With Bush's Use of Signing Statements

Given the incredible number of constitutional challenges Bush is issuing to new laws, without vetoing them, his use of signing statements is going to sooner or later put him in an untenable position. And there is a strong argument that it has already put him in a position contrary to Supreme Court precedent, and the Constitution, vis-à-vis the veto power.

Bush is using signing statements like line item vetoes. Yet the Supreme Court has held the line item vetoes are unconstitutional. In 1988, in Clinton v. New York, the High Court said a president had to veto an entire law: Even Congress, with its Line Item Veto Act, could not permit him to veto provisions he might not like.

The Court held the Line Item Veto Act unconstitutional in that it violated the Constitution's Presentment Clause. That Clause says that after a bill has passed both Houses, but "before it become[s] a Law," it must be presented to the President, who "shall sign it" if he approves it, but "return it" - that is, veto the bill, in its entirety-- if he does not.

Following the Court's logic, and the spirit of the Presentment Clause, a president who finds part of a bill unconstitutional, ought to veto the entire bill -- not sign it with reservations in a way that attempts to effectively veto part (and only part) of the bill. Yet that is exactly what Bush is doing. The Presentment Clause makes clear that the veto power is to be used with respect to a bill in its entirety, not in part.

The frequency and the audacity of Bush's use of signing statements are troubling. Enactments by Congress are presumed to be constitutional - as the Justice Department has often reiterated. For example, take what is close to boilerplate language from a government brief (selected at random): "It is well-established that Congressional legislation is entitled to a strong presumption of constitutionality. See United States v. Morrison ('Every possible presumption is in favor of the validity of a statute, and this continues until the contrary is shown beyond a rational doubt.')."

Bush's use of signing statements thus potentially brings him into conflict with his own Justice Department. The Justice Department is responsible for defending the constitutionality of laws enacted by Congress. What is going to happen when the question at issue is the constitutionality of a provision the President has declared unconstitutional in a signing statement?

Does the President's signing statement overcome the presumption of constitutionality? I doubt it. Will the Department of Justice have a serious conflict of interest? For certain, it will.

Should thus Congress establish its own non-partisan legal division, not unlike the Congressional Reference Service, to protect its interests, since the Department of Justice may have conflicts? It's something to think about.

These are just a few practical and constitutional problems that arise when a president acts as if there is his government, and then there is the Congress' government. Signing statements often ignore the fact the only Congress can create all the departments and agencies of the Executive Branch, and only Congress can fund these operations.

And the power to create and fund is also, by implication, the power to regulate and to oversee. Congress can, to some extent, direct how these agencies will function without infringing on presidential power.

Impact Of Presidential Signing Statements

The immediate impact of signing statements, of course, is felt within the Executive Branch: As I noted, Bush's statements will likely have a direct influence on how that branch's agencies and departments interpret and enforce the law.

It is remarkable that Bush believes he can ignore a law, and protect himself, through a signing statement. Despite the McCain Amendment's clear anti-torture stance, the military may feel free to use torture anyway, based on the President's attempt to use a signing statement to wholly undercut the bill.

This kind of expansive use of a signing statement presents not only Presentment Clause problems, but also clashes with the Constitutional implication that a veto is the President's only and exclusive avenue to prevent a bill's becoming law. The powers of foot-dragging and resistance-by-signing-statement, are not mentioned in the Constitution alongside the veto, after all. Congress wanted to impeach Nixon for impounding money he thought should not be spent. Telling Congress its laws do not apply makes Nixon's impounding look like cooperation with Congress, by comparison.

The longer term impact of signing statements is potentially grave - and is being ignored by the Bush administration. But it cannot be ignored forever. Defiance by Bush of Congressional lawmaking will come back to haunt this President.

Watergate was about abuse of power. Nixon, not unlike Bush, insisted on pushing the powers of the presidency to, and beyond, their limits. But as Nixon headed into his second term with even grander plans than he'd had in the first term, the Congress became concerned. (And for good reason.)

Bush, who has been pushing the envelope on presidential powers, is just beginning to learn what kind of Congressional blowback can result.

First, there are the leaks: People within the Executive branch become troubled by a president's overreaching. When Nixon adopted extreme measures, people within the administration began leaking. The same is now happening to Bush, for there was the leak about the use of torture. And, more recently, there was the leak as to the use of warrantless electronic surveillance on Americans.

Once the leaks start, they continue, and Congressional ire is not far behind. The overwhelming Congressional support for Senator John McCain's torture ban suggests, too, that Congress will not be happy if leaks begin to suggest the President - as his signing statement foreshadows - is already flouting the ban.

In short, Bush's signing statements, which are now going over the top, are going to cause a Congressional reaction. It is inevitable. If Republican lose control of either the House or Senate - and perhaps even if they don't, if the subject is torture or an egregious violation of civil liberties -- then the Bush/Cheney administration will wish it had not issued all those signing statements.

Indeed, the Administration may be eating its words - with Congress holding the plate out, and forcing the unconstitutional verbiage back down. That, in the end, is the only kind of torture Americans ought to countenance.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 02:03 am
I read Debra Law's post carefully. Bush must be impeached. It is unconscionable to allow such a disgraceful situation to exist. It is to be hoped that the Democrats take over the House so that they can appoint the chairman of the Judiciary Committee who will open an inquiry into the possiblity of impeaching George W. Bush.

After all, they impeached Clinton for nothing--just a few fellations in the Oval Office.

But, the Democrats must take the Senate too. Everyone knows that the House may impeach and the Senate must convict.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 05:27 am
Either the NYT or Washington Post just did an editorial on this. Bush doesn't need to veto when he just ignores.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 05:45 am
Whatever you say Mary...


Talk talk talk that's all any of you anti-Bush moan and groaners do. I have yet to see one of you whiners have the guts to take on the actual challenge of doing something about what you see as his failures. Up until such a time comes into existence I find you to be no better (or worse for that matter) than President Bush.

Do something or shut the f... up!
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:55 am
Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:11 am
Sturgis wrote:
Do something or shut the f... up!


What did you have in mind?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:12 am
Sturgis wrote:
Whatever you say Mary...


Talk talk talk that's all any of you anti-Bush moan and groaners do. I have yet to see one of you whiners have the guts to take on the actual challenge of doing something about what you see as his failures. Up until such a time comes into existence I find you to be no better (or worse for that matter) than President Bush.

Do something or shut the f... up!


I hope you are not suggesting what it appears that you are suggesting. Be careful, the NSA is watching!
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:19 am
BernardR wrote:

But, the Democrats must take the Senate too. Everyone knows that the House may impeach and the Senate must convict.


Nonsense. Unless an impeachment inquiry uncovers wrongdoing that would garner bi-partisan support for removal, the impeachment shouldn't take occur in the first place. Considering the fear the Dems have for a backlash, you can bet the farm that a partisan Clinton-like impeachment will not move forward.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:21 am
"Bush, far more than any of his predecessors, is resorting to a third option: signing a bill while reserving the right to disregard any part of it that he considers an infringement on his executive authority or constitutional powers."

I trust that to mean other President's have done the same thing?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:25 am
Organize. Put together a protest of real significance. Get yourselves together and find a suitable candidate to be Junior's replacement in 2008. At present the Democrats do not appear to be doing much more than running around in circles (Republicans are not doing much better). There are thousands upon thousands of options for how you guys can pursue this, sitting here day after day talking amongst yourselves is not what will get it done. I've noticed the passion with which many here have been able to communicate their thoughts and yet out of those posting the anti-Bush sentiments I do not recall seeing much of a stirring as far as people stating where the rally would be held or a march or what have you or where to find the petitions to sign...

Look, it may seem useless to do some of the things I have suggested but if you don't then how can you go on bellyaching about how bad the Presidunce...er I mean PresidENT is?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:37 am
All those things are being done. This is not the appropriate place to attempt to organize. Hey, I could re-produce all my Move-on, PFAW and Code Pink alerts here but it would be spam as well as being ineffective and a waste of time.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:37 am
Sturgis said

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but if you don't then how can you go on bellyaching about how bad the Presidunce...er I mean PresidENT is?


It's easy enough. But point is taken.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:03 am
Sturgis wrote:
Organize. Put together a protest of real significance. Get yourselves together and find a suitable candidate to be Junior's replacement in 2008. At present the Democrats do not appear to be doing much more than running around in circles (Republicans are not doing much better). There are thousands upon thousands of options for how you guys can pursue this, sitting here day after day talking amongst yourselves is not what will get it done. I've noticed the passion with which many here have been able to communicate their thoughts and yet out of those posting the anti-Bush sentiments I do not recall seeing much of a stirring as far as people stating where the rally would be held or a march or what have you or where to find the petitions to sign...

Look, it may seem useless to do some of the things I have suggested but if you don't then how can you go on bellyaching about how bad the Presidunce...er I mean PresidENT is?


Most of us have communicated our feelings to our elected representatives. We are not all Democrats, but even those of us who are have to wait for the primaries before they can help choose W's replacement.

Talking is the best tactic, though some of us aren't so good at articulating our feelings. The more we talk about what we disagree with, the more we try to persuade others to our point of view, the more likely results will be favorable in the next two major elections (2006 and 2008). Contrary to your assertion that we need to do something or shut up, I believe that talking is the civilized way to air our dissent.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:08 am
sumac wrote:
Sturgis said

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but if you don't then how can you go on bellyaching about how bad the Presidunce...er I mean PresidENT is?


It's easy enough. But point is taken.


Except that he doesn't have any knowledge as to what individuals are doing here to organize change. BTW I might point that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sturgis wasn't even aware that there was a significant Senate race taking place in his state in 2006. Furthermore, his advice to focus on 2008 reveals an incredible lack of political acumen and involvement.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:12 am
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Contrary to your assertion that we need to do something or shut up, I believe that talking is the civilized way to air our dissent.


Within the context of this forum, it is the only thing that is appropriate to do.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:17 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Except that he doesn't have any knowledge as to what individuals are doing here to organize change. BTW I might point that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sturgis wasn't even aware that there was a significant Senate race taking place in his state in 2006. Furthermore, his advice to focus on 2008 reveals an incredible lack of political acumen and involvement.




Leap not to conclusions. Just as you do not want me to do so, I ask you then not to do so yourself.

As to your follow up post (the one after the one that I took this quote from) I am glad you are doing something. What I want for people to do, is get involved and if they are then just say so. Where's the harm in that request?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:31 am
No harm, but this is an internet forum. The purpose of such forums is to talk, presumably about events and ideas, and not so much about biographical matters. That's why most of us do not divulge our identities. To waltz onto a thread and state that we should stop talking and do something is akin to walking onto a soccer field and yelling that all this pushing the ball around is a waste of time. We're here to talk, so that's what we're doing.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 08:45 am
Sturgis wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Except that he doesn't have any knowledge as to what individuals are doing here to organize change. BTW I might point that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sturgis wasn't even aware that there was a significant Senate race taking place in his state in 2006. Furthermore, his advice to focus on 2008 reveals an incredible lack of political acumen and involvement.




Leap not to conclusions. Just as you do not want me to do so, I ask you then not to do so yourself.

As to your follow up post (the one after the one that I took this quote from) I am glad you are doing something. What I want for people to do, is get involved and if they are then just say so. Where's the harm in that request?



Telling people to shut up is not a request.
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