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Limbaugh arrested

 
 
Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:29 pm
mysteryman wrote:
nimh wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Some of this info is wrong.
Limbaugh has only written 2 books,"The way things ought to be" and "See I told you so".

Talking about info that is wrong, Mysteryman, did you ever see or acknowledge this post? Considering the hissyfit you threw earlier about other people saying Limbaugh had been "arrested", it might be good form to note it..


According to amazon.com,Limbaugh only wrote 2 books...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_b/104-4033762-2384730?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Rush+Limbaugh&Go.x=12&Go.y=11

According to abebooks,Limbaugh only wrote 2 books...
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=Rush+Limbaugh&y=12&x=58

According to alibris.com,Limbaugh wtote only 2 books...
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm

According to Barnes and Noble LImbaugh wrote only 2 books...
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/TitleResults.asp?CNT=Rush+Limbaugh&z=y

According to His own bio he wrote only 2 books.
How am I wrong about what I said about how many books he wrote.
As for him possibly being gay,who cares?


You denied that Limbaugh was ARRESTED. Others provided you with proof that Limbaugh was ARRESTED and you ignored their posts. You're ignoring the point again.

The POINT is, MM, that you were WRONG. Limbaugh was indeed ARRESTED. Please acknowledge that you were WRONG, that your denial was without merit, and that Limbaugh was arrested.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:30 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
I said that you MUST apply the same standards to Rush that you applied to Clinton.


Why? There is a major difference in the case, namely, Clinton didn't break any state or federal laws by committing his act, whereas Rush broke several state and federal laws by committing his.

Apples and Oranges bro. Nice try to turn the conversation to Clinton again, though.

Cycloptichorn


what? Lying before a grand jury doesn't constitute a break any federal or state laws?

You must be smoking crack.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:30 pm
McG wrote:
Bush has increased funding for public education tremendously. For you to say otherwise is just a lie and you know it.

The Act evolved over the decades with the current reauthorization -- which the Bush Administration calls the "No Child Left Behind" (NCLB) Act -- occurring in 2001.

Now, more than two years after the enactment of NCLB, the federal government is failing to give states and school systems the adequate resources to meet the testing and other requirements imposed by the Act -- falling more than $32 billion short of full funding for 2003.

The following links will provide basic information on ESEA. Also check the National Education Association website for additional information.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:31 pm
Sturgis wrote:
parados wrote:
Clinton did NOT cause the current deficits.

Blaming Clinton for the "current difficulties" shows a complete disconnect with reality.



In a manner of speaking he did. Clinton failing to take down Bin Laden when he could brought about the final tragedy of September 11, 2001 which in turn brought on the financial woes which President Bush is now forced to work on. Talk about disconnect with reality... have you looked in a mirror lately?


By that reasoning one could blame Bush for failing to take down Bin Laden. The investigation of the USS Cole was completed January of 2001 as I recall claiming Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were responsible. Bush took office in January of 2001. I seem to recall the CIA report was completed the day before or the day after Bush's inaugeration. Where was Bush from January til Sept? Where was his action against Bin Laden? Certainly there was reason to "take him down" yet not a single meeting on Bin Laden by the Bush administration. And now.. 6 years later.. Still no Bin Laden. Look, over there. It's Clinton.


9/11 brought about the present financial woes? Really? Do you have facts to back this up? How did 9/11 create the deficits? You realize that the economic growth has been pretty steady since 9/11, don't you? How did 9/11 create the invasion of Iraq that has caused havoc in the oil markets? How has 9/11 prevented Congress from increasing the CAFE standards? Certainly you can show us how 9/11 prevented an energy policy from being passed.

2 ready excuses that work for all occassions. Clinton and 9/11... Never mind if they apply or not.. trot them out because that 32% will believe you without requesting any supporting evidence. You must listen to Rush on a regular basis Sturgis. Your arguments are about as well thought out as his are.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:32 pm
From NEA:

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:33 pm
Quote:
what? Lying before a grand jury doesn't constitute a break any federal or state laws?

You must be smoking crack.


You are not displaying intelligence lately, McG, seriously. Clinton got a blowjob, Rush did drugs. I personally don't have a problem with either one, but I don't write the laws; what Clinton did wasn't a crime, what Rush did was a crime.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
what? Lying before a grand jury doesn't constitute a break any federal or state laws?

You must be smoking crack.


You are not displaying intelligence lately, McG, seriously. Clinton got a blowjob, Rush did drugs. I personally don't have a problem with either one, but I don't write the laws; what Clinton did wasn't a crime, what Rush did was a crime.

Cycloptichorn


You write this and accuse me of "not displaying intelligence lately"? Laughing

You have got to be kidding me because I know you are not that stupid. But, if you are indeed stupid enough to believe that, I may have no further use for engaging you.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 02:55 pm
Oh, you claim that Clinton lying during the course of the investigation of his blowjob is the same as Rush doing drugs?

Now I see the tack that you are taking; equating a legal action which lead to a crime during investigation, with an illegal action which was inherently a crime.

Let me ask you, then: you must really be aching to see Libby(and eventually rove) swing for lying about Valerie Plame. Why, I'm sure I can search through A2K and find several posts by you asserting exactly that. Right?

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:01 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
nimh wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Some of this info is wrong.
Limbaugh has only written 2 books,"The way things ought to be" and "See I told you so".

Talking about info that is wrong, Mysteryman, did you ever see or acknowledge this post? Considering the hissyfit you threw earlier about other people saying Limbaugh had been "arrested", it might be good form to note it..


According to amazon.com,Limbaugh only wrote 2 books...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_b/104-4033762-2384730?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Rush+Limbaugh&Go.x=12&Go.y=11

According to abebooks,Limbaugh only wrote 2 books...
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=Rush+Limbaugh&y=12&x=58

According to alibris.com,Limbaugh wtote only 2 books...
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm

According to Barnes and Noble LImbaugh wrote only 2 books...
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/TitleResults.asp?CNT=Rush+Limbaugh&z=y

According to His own bio he wrote only 2 books.
How am I wrong about what I said about how many books he wrote.
As for him possibly being gay,who cares?


You denied that Limbaugh was ARRESTED. Others provided you with proof that Limbaugh was ARRESTED and you ignored their posts. You're ignoring the point again.

The POINT is, MM, that you were WRONG. Limbaugh was indeed ARRESTED. Please acknowledge that you were WRONG, that your denial was without merit, and that Limbaugh was arrested.


Look at the 3 links I posted about it originally,and tell me where the word "arrested" is used,even once.
Other soources used the word,but the 3 links I used did not.
Since I was not commenting on sources I had not seen or heard about,there is nothing to apologize for.
I DID specify the 3 links I posted.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:03 pm
That's not what I am saying at all. You said Clinton committed no illegal act. You said specifically "Clinton didn't break any state or federal laws by committing his act". Apparently you were not speaking of his criminal offense, but what led to his criminal offense.

I have reserved comment on the valerie plame affair until I have the facts. I doubt you will find too many comments either way regarding the incident.

Do you believe all leakers of classified information should face the same penalty?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:10 pm
McG, If you're going to wait to get more information on the Valerie Plame case before you decide, you'll wait until hell freezes over; there's plenty out there now; it's just a matter of reading and understanding what has been in the media for several months now. Ignorance is bless....some people claim.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:12 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McG, If you're going to wait to get more information on the Valerie Plame case before you decide, you'll wait until hell freezes over; there's plenty out there now; it's just a matter of reading and understanding what has been in the media for several months now. Ignorance is bless....some people claim.


Who has been charged?
Has it been determined by the investigators that a crime was actually committed when her name was released?

Nobody,and no it hasnt.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:21 pm
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20031010.html
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A Further Look At The Criminal ChargesThat May Arise From the Plame Scandal, In Which a CIA Agent's Cover Was Blown
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Oct. 10, 2003

Slowly, and steadily, more information about the unauthorized disclosure of Valerie Plame's CIA identity, and the reasons for it, have become available. As it has, I've been examining, assimilating, and trying to understand it. I've also realized that the apparent criminal activity may be more widespread than it initially appeared. (In an earlier column, I offered a preliminary discussion of this issue.)

News accounts, principally from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Nation, ABC News and NBC News have amplified on original reports. Information available from the White House has also added to the story. In light of this additional information, it is obvious that the Bush presidency has what might be politically diagnosed as a nasty subcutaneous problem - an ugly little sore that is festering and spreading.

It is too soon to know if this mess is malignant. Or terminal. Yet, this I do know: If mistreated, or untreated, this growing problem is going to become lethal for the Bush presidency. This is the Administration's first serious political scandal, and it is replete with legal problems and criminal implications.

To get a better understanding of this scandal, I've parsed the evidence publicly available as of now, in an effort to determine what is really going on - who did what, and why - and to look closer at the potential criminality involved.

The Apparent Honorable Motives Of Ambassador Wilson

Column continues below ↓

Former ambassador Joseph Wilson is a man with extensive knowledge of Iraq. He served as charge d'affaires at the US Embassy in Baghdad during Desert Shield, and has spent two decades in public service relating to foreign affairs.

Based on his experience and judgment, Wilson began to warn others about the dangers of going to war with Iraq. Starting around April 2002, Wilson became a regular on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS, urging that caution should be used, and alternatives to a war on Iraq considered.

Some have charged that Wilson is a political partisan - a stalking horse for Democrats. But the charges don't ring true. The Washington Times reported that Wilson said, "Neoconservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both." But so what? I know hordes of Republicans who would support such as effort to take their party back from neocons and religious right - probably starting with George H.W. Bush, and his former advisers. This view hardly makes Wilson a pawn of the Democratic Party.

In my view, Wilson seems, instead, to be a supporter of the greater good. By March 3, 2003, when he wrote an essay for The Nation, he was mincing no words. He said that the Bush Administration's imminent war with Iraq was not about weapons of mass destruction, nor terrorism (since it would only result in more terrorism), nor about liberating oppressed people. Rather, he argued, the true objective of the war was an effort to impose a Pax Americana on the region. He concluded that because we had no business building empires, we had no business going to war.

Wilson was (and is) sincere, articulate, and knowledgeable, with a pleasing personality and manner. No doubt, his commentary was getting under the skin of the Bush White House. His refusal to embrace preemptive war with Iraq must have given pause to those who listened to him. Here was a man who had supported George H.W. Bush in the first Gulf war, and had heroically confronted Saddam's efforts at intimidation. And he was telling the world that we should not march to Baghdad, particularly alone and preemptively.

As The Weekly Standard, the voice of neoconservatism, which is regular reading at the Bush White House, notes, "Bush administration officials would have been well advised" to better understand Joe Wilson, "before getting drawn into a fight with him in July." And they argue that Wilson "loves the spotlight." So what? Who in public life - other than Dick Cheney - does not enjoy the spotlight?

The Tipping Point For The Administration: The Niger Hoax Revealed

The evidence is clear that the White House picked a fight with Wilson after he undercut the president's case for war.

On July 6, 2003 - in an OpEd column for The New York Times, and an extensive interview with The Washington Post - Wilson said that he had found no evidence that Iraq was purchasing uranium from Niger. (Wilson had been sent by the CIA to make such a determination seventeen months earlier, in February 2002.)

That put part of Bush's State of the Union in doubt (as I discussed in an earlier column) and forced the White House to retract at least sixteen words of it. The Administration said that the CIA was to blame. (Later, Bush also claimed that his sixteen words really were technically correct, because he said in his State of the Union that he was relying on British intelligence, not his own, but that point hardly quieted the scandal.).

To counter the revelation of bogus information in the State of the Union address, the Bush Administration also went after Wilson's credibility - claiming he was a partisan, that he had been sent by low level CIA officials, even suggesting that Wilson's report actually supported the President.

A Closer Look At The Plame Leak

Soon columnist Bob Novak entered the fray. Among other questions, he wondered why the Bush Administration had sent a former member of Clinton's National Security Council (head of the African section) to Niger in the first place.

A leak gave Novak his answer: Wilson's wife, a CIA weapons of mass destruction operative, asked for him to be sent there. This answer suggested nepotism; in fact, Wilson was paid only for his travel expenses - undertaking the assignment because he was qualified, and a willing public servant. It may have even suggested, to some, a sinister plot to make sure the Niger uranium claim was discredited.

In a July 14, 2003 column, Novak printed the leak, and named Valerie Plame Wilson - thus blowing her cover, and putting her and her husband in jeopardy. Novak confirmed that Wilson's mission to Niger was authorized at a low level in the CIA. He also reported that "Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate [the report that Iraq was purchasing uranium from Niger]." Novak says, "CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive."

The same day, Time's July 21 issue hit the newsstands. It offered a far more detailed account of the preparation of the State of the Union - including an account of who was, and was not, aware of the problems with it. It also offered a more detailed story of Wilson's trip to Niger: "Wilson seemed like a wise choice for the mission. He had been a U.S. ambassador to Gabon and had actually been the last American to speak with Saddam before the first Gulf War. Wilson spent eight days sleuthing in Niger, meeting with current and former government officials and businessmen; he came away convinced that the allegations were untrue."

It appears that Time may have talked with Wilson off the record. It also spoke on the record with Lewis Libby in the vice president's office, and a member of the NSC staff. Time did not report anything about Valerie Plame Wilson - and certainly did not blow her cover.

Later, on July 17, 2003, in an online article entitled "War on Wilson?" Time did, however, mention that "some government officials have noted to Time in interviews, (as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak) that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction." This article included an on-the-record interview with Wilson. He said that his wife was not the person who suggested he take the trip; rather, she merely asked if he would talk to her colleagues. The article discusses the White House attack machinery that is currently targeting Wilson.

The Leak Itself Becomes News, and the Administration Is Implicated

Other magazines and newspapers also were curious about how the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson's identity had occurred, and whether the Bush Administration had caused it, or at least was capitalizing on it.

On September 28, The Washington Post reported that according "a senior administration official," that "two top White House officials" who may or may not have been Novak's source had called at least "six journalists" to reveal the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. The Post story notes, "It is rare for one Bush administration official to turn on another" - suggesting the Post's source was disgusted with the leaker.

In the October 13 Newsweek, Andrea Mitchell is quoted as saying, "I heard in the White House that people were touting the Novak column and that was the real story." Newsweek also reported that Wilson had received a call from Chris Matthews, of MSNBC's "Hardball," who told him, "I just got off the phone with Karl Rove, who said your wife was fair game."

In short, after the leak it certainly appears that the White House spread the word, further exploiting the leak.

The White House Need Not Have Leaked to Have Committed a Crime

Bush's press secretary Scott McClellan has chosen his words carefully in denying that anyone at the White House was involved with the leak. To remain credible, a press secretary cannot be caught in either a lie, or a serious misstatement based on ignorance.

McClellan's response reminded me of the Nixon Administration. Nixon's press secretary, Ron Zeigler, took the line that no one presently employed in his administration was involved in the Watergate break-in. That was technically correct, but only technically.

It is entirely possible that no one at the Bush "White House" or on the President's personal staff, was involved in the initial leak to Novak. It could have been someone at the National Security Council, which is related to the Bush White House but not part of it.

In fact, Novak wrote in one of his later columns, that the leak came from a person who was "no partisan gunslinger." That sounds like an NSC staffer to me. And as Newsweek also reported (you can count on Michael Isikoff to dig this stuff out), Valerie Plame's CIA identity was likely known to senior intelligence people on the NSC staff, for apparently one of them had worked with Ms. Plame at the CIA.

But even if the White House was not initially involved with the leak, it has exploited it. As a result, it may have opened itself to additional criminal charges under the federal conspiracy statute.

Why the Federal Conspiracy and Fraud Statutes May Apply Here

This elegantly simple law has snared countless people working for, or with, the federal government. Suppose a conspiracy is in progress. Even those who come in later, and who share in the purpose of the conspiracy, can become responsible for all that has gone on before they joined. They need not realize they are breaking the law; they need only have joined the conspiracy.

Most likely, in this instance the conspiracy would be a conspiracy to defraud - for the broad federal fraud statute, too, may apply here. If two federal government employees agree to undertake actions that are not within the scope of their employment, they can be found guilty of defrauding the U.S. by depriving it of the "faithful and honest services of its employee." It is difficult to imagine that President Bush is going to say he hired anyone to call reporters to wreak more havoc on Valerie Plame. Thus, anyone who did so - or helped another to do so - was acting outside the scope of his or her employment, and may be open to a fraud prosecution.

What counts as "fraud" under the statute? Simply put, "any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing, or defeating the lawful function of any department of government." (Emphasis added.) If telephoning reporters to further destroy a CIA asset whose identity has been revealed, and whose safety is now in jeopardy, does not fit this description, I would be quite surprised.

If Newsweek is correct that Karl Rove declared Valerie Plame Wilson "fair game," then he should make sure he's got a good criminal lawyer, for he made need one. I've only suggested the most obvious criminal statute that might come into play for those who exploit the leak of a CIA asset's identity. There are others.

John W. Dean, a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the President.
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Dean wrote this article in October of 2003. Fitzgerald is looking into this from all angles, and you can bet your bottom dollar criminal charges are forthcoming probably hitting some of the top people in Bush's administration - if not Bush too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:23 pm
From Wikipedia:

The Plame affair refers to the political controversy surrounding allegations by critics of the Bush administration that White House officials deliberately leaked Valerie Plame's identity as an undercover U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative as political retaliation against her husband, retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson.

Shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Wilson publicly alleged[1] that Bush had misrepresented intelligence suggesting that the Iraqi regime sought uranium in order to manufacture nuclear weapons. Eight days later, discussing that allegation, columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame's CIA affiliation. [2] Wilson and others alleged that the disclosure of his wife's identity was a conspiracy by administration officials intended to punish him for his criticism, and that it endangered national security.

The CIA asked the Justice Department to investigate whether the disclosure violated federal criminal statutes. A special counsel, Patrick Fitzgerald, was appointed to lead the investigation. Still ongoing as of April 2006, the investigation has not so far resulted in the filing of any charges concerning the alleged leak per se.

Fitzgerald determined that at least two Bush administration officials, Karl Rove and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, told several reporters about Plame's employment at the CIA, which Fitzgerald asserts was classified information, although they did not identify her as a covert agent. Libby was indicted on multiple counts based on his failure to initially report his mentioning Plame to reporters, including obstruction of justice, perjury, and making false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and grand jury. The case against Libby is pending. As Fitzgerald's investigation remains open, speculation and controversy over the affair continues.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:25 pm
washingtonpost.com
Role of Rove, Libby in CIA Leak Case Clearer
Bush and Cheney Aides' Testimony Contradicts Earlier White House Statement

By Jim VandeHei and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 2, 2005; A05

As the CIA leak investigation heads toward its expected conclusion this month, it has become increasingly clear that two of the most powerful men in the Bush administration were more involved in the unmasking of operative Valerie Plame than the White House originally indicated.

With New York Times reporter Judith Miller's release from jail Thursday and testimony Friday before a federal grand jury, the role of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, came into clearer focus. Libby, a central figure in the probe since its earliest days and the vice president's main counselor, discussed Plame with at least two reporters but testified that he never mentioned her name or her covert status at the CIA, according to lawyers in the case.

His story is similar to that of Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser. Rove, who was not an initial focus of the investigation, testified that he, too, talked with two reporters about Plame but never supplied her name or CIA role.

Their testimony seems to contradict what the White House was saying a few months after Plame's CIA job became public.

In October 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters that he personally asked Libby and Rove whether they were involved, "so I could come back to you and say they were not involved." Asked if that was a categorical denial of their involvement, he said, "That is correct."

What remains a central mystery in the case is whether special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has accumulated evidence during his two-year investigation that any crime was committed. His investigation has White House aides and congressional Republicans on edge as they await Fitzgerald's announcement of an indictment or the conclusion of the probe with no charges. The grand jury is scheduled to expire Oct. 28, and lawyers in the case expect Fitzgerald to signal his intentions as early as this week.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:26 pm
McGentrix wrote:
That's not what I am saying at all. You said Clinton committed no illegal act. You said specifically "Clinton didn't break any state or federal laws by committing his act". Apparently you were not speaking of his criminal offense, but what led to his criminal offense.

I have reserved comment on the valerie plame affair until I have the facts. I doubt you will find too many comments either way regarding the incident.

Do you believe all leakers of classified information should face the same penalty?


You are not being consistent.

You condemn Clinton for LYING during the course of an investigation. Accordingly, you were asked if Libby should also be condemned for LYING during the course of an investigation.

As far as other leaker situations, all situations are not the same.

Why was the information classified? Was the information classified to protect the identify of an undercover law enforcement agent whose life would be in danger if his/her identify was disclosed? Was the information classified in order to conceal governmental lawbreaking?

Why was the information leaked? In order for top government officials to retaliate against a political dissenter? In order to blow the whistle on government lawbreaking?

Whistleblowers should not be penalized for disclosing illegal government conduct. We should reward them for coming forward.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 03:31 pm
Some bias, but that's okay in this case:


If Libby goes down, so will Cheney, Rove, Card, Rice, and perhaps even Bush

If you plan to read Judy Miller's long and circuitous apology in the New York Times Sunday edition, bring your hip-waders. The obfuscating manure is knee-deep and bound to stymie even the most curious reader.

Miller's a slippery customer, but a picture is slowly developing of someone who was deeply involved in White House maneuverings to discredit Joseph Wilson.

It's clear now that Dick Cheney's right-hand man, Scooter Libby provided Miller with the name of ex-CIA agent Valerie Plame.

Plame's name appears at least twice in the notebook Miller used when she interviewed Libby although she pretends that she cannot remember whether or not he furnished the name.

It's also clear that Libby tried to coerce Miller into silence by dispatching his lawyer, Joseph Tate, to tell Miller that she "was free to testify" but that Libby "had not told Ms. Miller the name or undercover status of Mr. Wilson's wife."

In other words, Libby lied to the Grand Jury and was signaling to Miller to shut up. If Miller told the truth she knew that Libby would go to jail and the administration would be exposed as plotting to disgrace Joseph Wilson.

Fortunately, Miller got tired of her role as 1st amendment martyr and decided to testify.

That prompted Libby to send her a frantic letter which stated that "the public report of every other reporter's testimony makes clear that they did not discuss Ms. Plame's name or identity with me."

Libby was informing Miller as clearly as possible that she was the key figure in the investigation and advising her not to spill the beans.

Miller had a problem though, she had no way of knowing what the other reporters had said to the Grand Jury and she also had to weigh the possibilities of being indicted on perjury or obstruction charges.

So she did what most people would do in her situation; she tip-toed through the questioning "denying and forgetting" as much as possible.

It's beginning to look like Miller is the pivotal figure in investigation and her role could be the undoing of the Bush regime.

In one telling comment, Millers notes that (2 days before Robert Novak's article appeared in the Washington Post exposing CIA agent Valerie Plame) "I MIGHT HAVE CALLED OTHERS ABOUT MR WILSON'S WIFE".

Really? Two days before Novak's earth-shaking article Miller was giving out Plame's name?!?

This suggests that Miller may have been the ONLY reporter who got Plame's name from Libby and then spread it around to everyone else. No wonder Libby's so worried. That puts Miller at the very center of the Bush administration's biggest nightmare.

Miller already admitted that Libby had told her that Plame "worked at Winpac. Winpac stood for Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control, the name of a unit within the CIA that, among other things, analyses the spread of unconventional weapons." (NY Times)

That's an odd thing to confide in a reporter if it's not intended to start a "leak". Remember, Miller never even wrote a story about anything she gathered from these private interviews with Libby.

So, what was her role? Were they just friends having a casual conversation or was she a mule for the information that the White House wanted to disseminate about Wilson?

Libby also asked Miller to have the Times refer to him as a "former Hill staffer" rather than "a senior administration official" in stories written about Wilson. He obviously didn't want it to seem like the administration was carrying out a personal vendetta against Wilson.

No problem. The administration makes a request and the New York Times carries it out forthwith. One hand washes the other.

The question remains, though, why the cover-up? Why would Libby care what the papers call him if, as he claims, he wasn't doing anything wrong?

The larger question is, however, where did Libby get Valerie Plame's name? The only person who would have had access to classified CIA information like that would have been his boss, Dick Cheney.

Ah-ha!

Cheney presided over a secret group of administration hawks known as the White House Iraq Group (WHIG). Their mission was to promote the danger of Saddam's WMD and discredit those who tried to mitigate the danger.

The biggest part of their strategy was to exaggerate the threat of Saddam's imaginary nuclear weapons program.

The administration knew through their own polling data that the American people would support a preemptive war if it appeared as though Saddam had nuclear weapons. So, it was incumbent on them to make the case.

Wilson's op-ed piece in the New York Times, challenged the administration's conclusions about Niger yellow-cake uranium, and undermined the claims about Saddam's nuclear capacity. So, Wilson had to be destroyed.

Miller, who had served as the conduit for most of the administration's phony stories about biological weapons sites, mobile-weapons labs, and aluminum tubes for nukes; was the logical choice to start the smear campaign against Wilson.

Her role was to spread the "classified information" to her sources in the media who would, in turn, discredit Wilson.

Libby has done his best to protect Cheney from being implicated, saying that the VP didn't know anything about Wilson, but the claim is absurd. As Jason Leopold notes in Raw Story, "Cheney was present at several of the WHIG's meetings.

They say Cheney personally discussed with individuals in attendance at least two interviews in May and June of 2003 Wilson gave to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof and Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus.

He claimed the administration "twisted" prewar intelligence and what the response from the administration should be." ("Vice President's Role in outing of CIA agent under Examination", Jason Leopold)

Leopold's article also points out the cozy relationship between the Miller and the members of WHIG prior to the Iraq war.

After Miller had written her damning article about aluminum tubes in Iraq that could be used as centrifuges in nuclear weapons (a story that was later discredited), Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and Rice swung into high-gear, flooding the Sunday talk-shows and citing the story as proof that Saddam's nukes would ultimately engulf America in a "mushroom cloud".

The media's disinformation-campaign must have been coordinated with Miller and key members of the Bush administration. The plan worked flawlessly.

Clearly, both Miller and NY Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger were intimately involved in manufacturing the fraudulent evidence that dragged the nation to war. Neither has ever expressed any regret over the role they played.

THE BEGINNING OF THE END

Ironically, Libby's cryptic comments to Miller may turn out to be the best summary of the ongoing investigation. He said, "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

Yes, and if Libby goes down, so will Cheney, Rove, Card, Rice, and perhaps even Bush, because "their roots connect them".

Mike Whitney @ Counterpunch

posted Friday, 21 October 2005
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 04:07 pm
MM, you couldn't figure out Limbaugh was arrested from the 3 stories?

Quote:
Limbaugh turned himself in to authorities about 4 p.m. on a warrant for fraud to conceal information to obtain a prescription, the first charge in the nearly 3-year-old case, said Teri Barbera, a spokeswoman for the state attorney. He was released an hour later on $3,000 bail.

"turned himself in to authorities" "a warrant" "released on $3000 bail"

I guess people aren't arrested if they turn themselves in. Warrants are no longer for "arrest" I guess. I guess they don't arrest people before they post bail.

The other two stories state the Limbaugh was photographed, fingerprinted and then released on bail. Do they normally photograph and fingerprint people they haven't arrested in the US these days MM?


The stories didn't use the work "arrested". They just cited everything that goes along with an arrest.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 05:14 pm
Plus, of course, before throwing a hissy fit over people saying that Limbaugh was arrested, y'r average person woulda just clicked on any of the myriad other news stories hitting the web headlines right then to doublecheck whether they might not actually simply be right...
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 05:16 pm
parados wrote:
MM, you couldn't figure out Limbaugh was arrested from the 3 stories?

Quote:
Limbaugh turned himself in to authorities about 4 p.m. on a warrant for fraud to conceal information to obtain a prescription, the first charge in the nearly 3-year-old case, said Teri Barbera, a spokeswoman for the state attorney. He was released an hour later on $3,000 bail.

"turned himself in to authorities" "a warrant" "released on $3000 bail"

I guess people aren't arrested if they turn themselves in. Warrants are no longer for "arrest" I guess. I guess they don't arrest people before they post bail.

The other two stories state the Limbaugh was photographed, fingerprinted and then released on bail. Do they normally photograph and fingerprint people they haven't arrested in the US these days MM?


The stories didn't use the work "arrested". They just cited everything that goes along with an arrest.


It has to say "Rush Limbaugh was arrested" for the likes of Misery Mujer to understand.
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