A long time ago. Eisenhower in a speech ranted against the evils of socialism. Somebody explained to him that he had lived under socialism (the army) most of his life.
david, I described army life. US, Canada, any army.
Any utopian movment, be it marxist, libertarian, religious, green etc. is doomed to falure since the utopians will end up creating a totalitarian state in order to silence those who do not agree with the regime's utopian vision.
Army life is not utopian.