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@MMarciano,

Hey Marco, how do you like California? Better than Florida, right?
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The funny part is, you will never find spaghetti with meatballs in Italy.
I have no idea where this comes from, but it ain't Italian. You can have Spaghetti Bolognese, that's with ground beef and other ingredients, but
no meatballs anywhere....

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@CalamityJane,

You know, we Callie's need to have a meet sometime in the future.

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http://www.escoffieronline.com/a-history-of-spaghetti-and-meatballs/

polpettes

that makes the meatballs being ordered separately make sense (to me)

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Oven-baked (not steamed) mandu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandu_(dumpling)

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@FBM,

interesting - the Turkish dumplings are called Manti

small world eh ... must be another of those Marco Polo things

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@ehBeth,

and google says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manti_%28dumpling%29

Quote:

Manti or Mantu (Turkish: mantı; Kazakh: мәнті; Uzbek: manti; Kyrgyz: мантуу; Pashto, Persian, Arabic: منتو‎; Armenian: մանթի) are dumplings popular in most Turkic cuisines, as well as in the Hejaz and Caucasian, Central Asian, and Chinese Islamic cuisines. It closely resembles the Chinese baozi, Korean mandu, Mongolian buuz, Japanese nikuman, and the Tibetan momo. Manti are also popular throughout the Commonwealth of Independent States, where the dish spread from the Central Asian republics.

neat-o

food history studies might be even more fun than ethnomusicology

Quote:

Manti is believed to be originated by Uyghur Turks living in China as mantou,[1] and was carried across Central Asia to Anatolia by migrating Mongol peoples in the Chingizid-Timurid periods.[2]

In particular, according to some researchers, manti first reached Cilician Armenia as a result of the cultural interaction between Armenians and Mongols during their alliance in the 13th century.[3]

According to Holly Chase, "Turkic and Mongol horsemen on the move are supposed to have carried frozen or dried manti, which could be quickly boiled over a camp-fire".[4]

In Turkey, it is also called Tatar böregi (Tatar bureks), which indicates its relation to nomadic peoples. Korean mandu is also said to have arrived in Korea through the Mongols in the 14th century.[5]

However, some researchers do not discount the possibility that manti may have originated in the Middle East and spread eastward to China and Korea through the Silk Road.[6]

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@ehBeth,

Huh. It would be interesting to check some other languages, too. Do the Turkish dumplings have meat fillings?

Edit: Never mind. I posted that before reading your follow-up post. Very interesting.

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@CalamityJane,

I love it here. Beautiful area. Takes a bit to get used to.

Morgan use to complain about some of the people in Florida, he thought they were bigoted; well I have experienced some bigotry here in California. If I go to the supermarket down the hill I’m the only tanned skinned person in the store and people stare, which only proves that people are the same wherever you go.

I still laugh every time I see these women driving around town in their Mercedes with the poodle on their laps.
Laughing

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@ehBeth,

All of Europe has these meat dumplings - the Swedes have their kottbullar,
we Krauts have Frikadellen, or use them in soup, for that we use ground liver instead of meat.

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@MMarciano,

Well Marco, you're in Laguna - that's quite a special place, very snobbish at times. Plus they all think you're Mexican and can't place Puerto Rico Smile

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@FBM,

mmm, I could do that..

http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/mandu

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@CalamityJane,

We don't have meat dumplings, unless you count faggots.

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@izzythepush,

Suet dumplings are sublime when just a little bit burnt and crunchy on the outside.

Even better when sitting on top of a beef stew.

Do they still sell faggots in shops? I used to sell them years ago, when Noddy Holder had acne, but I don't see them anywhere now.

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@Lordyaswas,

I think in the U.S. faggot means something entirely different

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@CalamityJane,

We know, we just try to ignore it.

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@Lordyaswas,

Mr. Brain's faggots seem to be doing well.

http://mrbrains.co.uk/

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@izzythepush,

Faggots are more like meatballs.

Meat inside a pastry and then baked or boiled/steamed is a meat dumpling. Pierogies are dumplings. Faggots, not so much.

Even ravioli technically fall in the dumpling definition.

if this is true

Quote:

Penryn is also known for making a boiled pasty

, it would be a dumpling (sounds odd but I don't know that much about Penryn)

http://www.cornishpasties.org.uk/bakedboiledorfried-pasties.htm

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@ehBeth,

Our dumplings are just SR flour, suet and salt. No meat, because they're cooked on top of a meat stew/casserole, usually beef.

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@izzythepush,

Oh, then they're similar to the dumplings in our u.s. chicken and dumplings..
I haven't had those since my ex's father passed (long time ago). He was the good cook in that family, but ex became a terrific cook sometime later.

I think ex started to learn to cook as a teen in self defense.

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@izzythepush,

Yes, I'm aware of that.

I was hoping to find more range Smile

Every culture has some version of meat inside pastry/dough. Some are more similar than others. Some are tastier than others.

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