This one just leaves me speechless....

Eryemil, I truly hope the same.

I think a number of the Parent Pimps have never grown up themselves.

In addition to their offspring being "a child" the kid also plays the role of "resented sibling". Maternal love isn't at the forefront here--the emotion is pure selfishness, possibly laced with jealous revenge.

It is mothers like those that make it difficult for me to be a strict pro-lifer in any other aspect except my own personal life. As sad as it sounds, those kids would probably have had a better life never having one at all. Very sad indeed.

I don't think it is entirely uncommon behavior. In fact, I don't see it as too much different from parents who accepted hush money "settlements" from the Catholic church.

The basic premise of Margaret Sanger when she first advocated birth control was that the emmigrant women in the New York neighborhoods she saw had no escape from their collective nightmare, but that birth control, up to an including abortion, might provide them the means to escape poverty and abuse. Those were not necessarily gentler times, either. Alcoholism was rife, of course, but so was the abuse of cocaine and morphine, either of which could be had over the counter at a local "chemist." For her suggestion that women could gain a measure of freedom and control over their own lives through effective birth control, she was publicly savaged. Even Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. described her as a "race traitor." His thesis, not uncommon among the "passive racists" of the day was that the "white race" should breed as many little babies as possible, so as not to be overwhelmed by the black and yellow races. We don't have data on that era such as we have now, but the absence of crack is no guarantee that things were any better. Incredible stories were then commonly told of the depravity of the impoverished in Hell's Kitchen and the Five Points. The Five Points is almost unknown now, but upon a time, even the New York Police refused to go into that neighborhood.

There have always been "less than human" human beings in the world and numerous ways for children to suffer because of it.

Years ago in Chicago, a little girl was raped by a neighborhood man. Several men found this man and chased him onto the lakefront and beat him almost to death before police came and 'rescued' him.

A few years later, another little girl was raped and held for days, again by a neighborhood man. He freed the child and was promptly arrested. The mother went to the police station and asked to see him under the guise of perhaps knowing him and when she was escorted to his holding cell, she pulled out a pistol and unloaded it in his ass.

Call is sick and twisted but when I hear of children being abused, these two tales spring to mind and they are comforting.

This is f-kn sickening.

But, it is true.. it happens all the time.

I remember, I was 15 and used to live under a bridge close to 2nd and iron in Albq.
There was this mother daughter "team' that would bring thier jons around all the time.

Mom couldnt, at the time , have been older then 28? 29?
Her daughter was 10-12. And she would always cry and scream.. and mom would take her behind a cement pilar to have a " talk with her" where her jons wouldnt hear and run away.
This little girl would always start yelling about how she was going to be 13 soon , when she was scared. And screaming for police when she was hurt.
Her mom would beat her and tell her it would be all her fault if they didnt get a hotel room that day.



funny.. they never got a hotel room, and mom was always high.

>shaking head<

shewolf...have you ever read any books by JT Leroy?

The only one I've read is "the heart is deceitful above all things" but boy oh boy, in the first 10 pages you're in a rage and want to puke at the same time....and this is the story of his life.

I have never heard of him?

Is it his writting style that is good?
Or just his subject matter?

well, I'd guess you'd say both....he wrote his first book when he was in his teens. It's all autobiographical, and there's a lot of shock value in the beginning, since you can't believe what's happening to him. Then you marvel at the human spirit and what we will do to survive. I think he's only in his early 20's now.

There's a lot of info on him on the internet...to some he's become something of a cult figure.

That's were I draw the line...from the reading I did a while back, it seems he's a big thing to disinfranchised youth...all the suffering and all that.

That's great, but I'm looking at what he's gone through from my eyes. Anyway, it's not a story with a happy ending, not like, I went to therapy, now I'm gonna buy a house in the burbs.
He's gotten help, but hey, you know...

I'd say it's recommended reading.

Chai Tea, do you know that it's been exposed as a scam...? (The nice lady who took him in in the book actually wrote it, and the "J.T. Leroy's" public appearances were made by her husband's step-sister.)

NO!

Really!

OMG, that's awful, where did you learn that?

now I'm really shaking my head.

Yep, it's a head-shaker.

There have been a few articles in the New York Times, I'll get one, just a sec...

Here we go

here's from salon.com

fake JT

Fascinatin' Soz . . . and disgusting . . .

The idea of making money off of this....grrrrr.....

Just read the whole Salon article, it was a good one, thanks Chai.

Hmmmm......interesting twist on the Colette/Monsieur Willy thing, no?

"Sisters are doing it for themselves."


And the gender stuff, so post modern!