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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 01:45 pm
I can think of two reasons fairly quickly.

1) The paperwork requirement is crushing.

2) The E.R. must prove the injured/sick person is undocumented and most do have some form of I.D. suggesting documentation. So other than the ladies showing up at border hospitals to have their anchor babies, there may not be many cases they can document as eligible to get the money. This is probably even more the case since the token crackdown and round up of illegals during the past few months. What person is going to admit they're hear illegally and have that on the medical record?

And then there are those taxpayers who resent having their hard earned tax dollars spent on lawbreakers who should never have been allowed to cross the border in the first place. Those taxpayers think those monies and a lot more should have been used to prevent illegal entry into this country.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 01:57 pm
Your reasons are slightly different to those mentioned in the report:

Quote:
The biggest deterrent to applying for the money, they* explain, is concern about time-consuming paperwork that can offset any money gained.

Another is how the government calculates costs and often dramatically trims hospital bills. Federal officials say the cuts take place because hospitals often bill for their services and not their costs, and in some cases, seek funds for longer periods of stay than allowed.

Another problem for some is more of a moral issue, a concern by hospital officials that questions about immigration status will scare off already worried immigrants.
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*[footnote by WH] they = public health experts and immigrant advocacy groups, as opposite to public health officials, who still search for reasons (according to the report)[/I]

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 02:20 pm
I'm sure all those are valid points. The points I made are from conversations with medical personnel working in emergency rooms here.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 02:42 pm
The number of Presbyterian Hospital's ER patients increased 42 percent in the past five years, four times the rate of the metro area's overall population growth. And since they've obviously money enough ( $13 million for the expansion and remodel of ER) ... :wink:
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 03:37 pm
Foxfyre,

Achhor babies! You people continue to disgust me.

People have babies because they want to have someone to raise Mothers are all the same, they love their babies and want what is best for them.

Mothers go to the hospital because they want the best care possible to be sure they have a healthy baby. I am sure that you insisted on having your babies in a hospital.

It is laughable that anyone who is against abortion would want babies to be born anywhere else. You save their lives in the womb only to deny them medical care at biirth? Yeah right!

I have some friends whose parents happen to be undocumented immigrants.

They are fine kids-- speak English perfectly and did very well in school. They look forward to fine lives as American citizens.

In fact the very law that you claim to be supporting makes them equally American to any stuck-up self-righteous Bible banger brats you have spawned.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 03:44 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
stuck-up self-righteous Bible banger brats you have sired.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 03:48 pm
Maybe you sired them johnboy, but Foxfyre spawned them.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 03:51 pm
Let me explain my anger just in case Foxfyre or anyone else doesn't understand.

Foxfyre is talking about Mexican mothers and their babies if if they aren't human. The very term "Anchor Baby" implies that their purpose is to bestow some legal right. This is bullshit and any mother would know this.

Mothers have babies out of love.

Foxfyre is using very insulting terms to refer to these woman and their babies simply because she disapproves of their being here.

If she could make her point without the slur, I would be a bit happier.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 04:06 pm
The issue is not mothers having babies. The issue is whether or not we are a people of laws and whether we will let tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of people to break our laws because people like ebrown do not want them enforced and will even slur MY children to make his point.

"Anchor baby" however is not a slur but an accepted term to describe those babies born to women who specifically illegally came into this country to have their babies knowing they would then be entitled to all kinds of U.S. benefits because the baby would be a citizen.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2002sep11.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/anchor-baby

http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

http://www.americanpatrol.com/ANCHORBABIES/AnchorBabiesAllanWall.html

http://members.lycos.co.uk/lamigra/NEWS/AnchorBabies940220SDUT.html

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters4608

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/224664_erbe18.html
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 05:42 pm
Can you give one example where a person who supports compassion for undocumented immigrants uses the term "Anchor Baby"? Would you call the child of a friend "Anchor Baby"?

I have friends who, through no fault of their own, are in this situation. Excuse me for getting upset if you use this term in front of them.

But the real issue is when a woman in this situation has a baby-- isn't a hospital the right place for her to be? Do you really want hospitals to turn mothers away?

Giving mothers medical care at childbirth saves lives.
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lagunax3beach
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 05:56 pm
NO MORE illegals =)
Mad The United States can only do so much for taking care of the illegal immagrant problem, but MABEY if the United State left the individual STATE deal with their own immigrent problem. Thats just a small theory of mine but that would most likely cause MORE problems to this nation. But we should do more about the illegals problem beause they are killing and stealing in OUR COUNTRY! This nation USE TO BE FREE but with illegals coming over here..they are damaging our country and soon this country will ONLY be free to the americans not to the entire world... they have reuined their chance!!! Evil or Very Mad
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 06:02 pm
Re: NO MORE illegals =)
lagunax3beach wrote:
Mad The United States can only do so much for taking care of the illegal immagrant problem, but MABEY if the United State left the individual STATE deal with their own immigrent problem. Thats just a small theory of mine but that would most likely cause MORE problems to this nation. But we should do more about the illegals problem beause they are killing and stealing in OUR COUNTRY! This nation USE TO BE FREE but with illegals coming over here..they are damaging our country and soon this country will ONLY be free to the americans not to the entire world... they have reuined their chance!!! Evil or Very Mad


Welcome to A2K Laguna. Actually only a small percentage of illegals in this country are committing illegal acts and the majority are pleasant and would not be a problem if they had only come here illegally. But the fact remains that many if not most illegal acts committed in many areas are being committed by illegals. So it is a problem that cannot be ignored. And to let anybody stay here illegally and enjoy the benefits of this country in that status definitely encourages more to come.

I won't say tha good people here illegally have ruined their chances. But I do think they should go home and come back legally. I am for making that process easier, but I don't think anybody should be able to receive citizenship benefits, etc. if they don't do it the same way that people do it who do come here legally. They would then be welcomed with open arms.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 06:12 pm
Laguna,

You think the United States isn't free?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 04:09 pm
Immigration:
Will Senate Bow to Public Opinion?
SOURCE
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 04:37 pm
The heart of this matter is republican internal conflict; The immigration debate pits one core GOP constituency (law-and-order conservatives) against another (business interests that rely on immigrant labor). However, I am sure the right-wing blogs, and Lou Dobbs, are trying to shift the focus to those damn liberals.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 05:24 pm
dyslexia wrote:
The heart of this matter is republican internal conflict; The immigration debate pits one core GOP constituency (law-and-order conservatives) against another (business interests that rely on immigrant labor).


Totally agreed.

But election time is coming, and the core GOP constituency needs some lip service.

We'll see who prevails AFTER the election.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 07:00 pm
After the election, if there is a God, the House will be controlled by Democrats. I think things will be resolved when this happens.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 06:13 am
http://i10.tinypic.com/3y2ksk2.jpg

Related report in today's Chicago Tribune:

Migrants' dry season: Crops falter as gas, immigration woes shrink workforce
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 06:18 am
Quote:
Wall Will Increase Immigration

By Andres Oppenheimer
Mc Clathy Neswpaper

White House spin doctors are painting it differently, but it's becoming increasingly clear that President Bush's Republican Party, forced to choose between courting Hispanic voters or the xenophobic right in the race for the Nov. 7 congressional elections, has opted for the latter.

Last week, the Republican leadership in the Senate decided to shun Bush's previous proposal for a comprehensive immigration reform that was to contemplate both border controls and a path to citizenship for undocumented workers. Instead, the Senate leadership decided to put to a vote a much narrower bill that mirrors an insane proposal previously approved by the House to erect a 700-mile border fence along the border with Mexico.

The move came amid polls showing that Bush's party may lose one or both chambers of Congress in the November elections. A New York Times/CBS poll last week showed that only 25 percent of Americans approve of the GOP-controlled Congress.

Before I try to explain why the proposed fence extension is a monumental waste of money -- it's estimated to cost up to $7 billion -- that will do nothing but temporarily placate the followers of Hispanic immigrant-allergic talking heads such as CNN's Lou Dobbs and Republican populist Pat Buchanan, let's spend a few seconds on the proposed legislation's current status.

The motion to proceed with the border fence vote was approved by 94-0 in the Senate, as Democrats did not want to be perceived as opposing enforcement measures with only six weeks to go before Election Day.

The final vote is expected in coming days. Bush told CNN last week that if the fence bill is approved, "Yes, I will sign it into law. I would view this as an interim step." White House officials claim that the president is not abdicating from his previous comprehensive immigration proposal, but is following a new strategy. By signing the bill into law, he would allow Republican congressional leaders to say they have done something to stop illegal immigration, which would in turn allow them to pass legislation to regularize the status of undocumented U.S. residents after the November elections, they say. "This is crass election-year politics," says Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, a moderate pro-immigration advocacy group. "In fact, it will make a bad situation worse: It's like giving an alcoholic a drink, thinking he will come to his senses later." So what's wrong with a border fence to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, some of you may be asking by now. Aren't there already about the 12 million undocumented migrants in the country? Yes, but the proposed border fence will make things worse. It will keep millions of unauthorized U.S. residents who periodically return to their native countries from going home, for fear of not being able to return. What's more, it will encourage them to bring their relatives to live with them in the United States.

Since the early 1990s, when the U.S. government began building a 14-mile fence along the border in California, illegal immigration has soared. It has only pushed immigrants to cross the border farther east. The proposed 700-mile fence along the 2,100-mile U.S.-Mexican border would just force migrants to cross the border through increasingly dangerous places (and, of course, it would push them to cross the border now, before the wall is erected).

And even if we built a 2,100-mile fence, would-be immigrants will come through tunnels, parachutes, or the 7,000-mile U.S.-Canadian border. Or more likely -- as is happening now -- they will continue coming through U.S. airports: a recent report by the Pew Research Center shows that, contrary to Time magazine's cover pictures of illegal aliens sneaking across the border under the cover of darkness, nearly 50 percent of unauthorized migrants enter the United States with legal visas, and overstay them.

My conclusion: There will be no end to the illegal immigration crisis unless we begin to narrow the per capita income gap between Latin America and the United States.

The U.S. Congress should focus on U.S.-Latin America cooperation measures. For instance, it could deepen existing free trade agreements, or allow U.S. senior citizens to use their health insurance in certified hospitals in Latin America, which help reduce the U.S. budget deficit while boosting Latin America's health, tourism and housing industries.

Summing up, what Congress seems ready to vote on -- with Bush's green light -- is a 700-mile-long monument to political deception.

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Transcripted/copied from today's "Albuquerque Journal", page A7
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 08:44 am
The writer concludes until "WE begin to narrow the per captia income gap" there will be no solution to the immigration problem. Yet no doubt this same person is like all the others who exalt Mexico for being a sovereign nation. So why is it a WE problem instead of a THEY problem? Mexico has huge land area, a ready work force, and natural resources comparable to the US. Why shouldn't THEY be held accountable for the welfare of THEIR people? When did that become OUR problem?

Numerous American charities, many of which I participate in, are sending enormous contributions to Mexico's poor, many of which are to help people help themselves. There is no lack of compassion for the plight of the poor.

But so long as America is bringing in and taking care of all the citizens Mexico doesn't want, there is absolutely no incentive for Mexico to clean up its own act.

The USA would be in much better shape too if other countries were paying our bills. Mexico would be in much better shape if they adopted policies and a system in which they pay their own.
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