What should be done about illegal immigration?

Biden is quite a clown. I remember posting something a few months ago about why in the world would Obama pick somebody as clueless as Biden for vp. It was kind of a mystery until I finally came to the conclusion that he really did not want anyone very intelligent or smart enough to cause him any trouble. He merely wanted a dupe out there stumbling around, not disagreeing with him on his agenda, somebody that would blindly follow him because he would be so flattered and self important by the simple fact that he would be vice president. So Biden fits the bill perfectly for Obama.

The real clueless one during the last presidential election was McCain's pick of Sarah Palin. Her reason for having foreign experience makes me shudder.

I'm so tired about hearing the bull that illegals take jobs citizens don't want. Citizens don't want those jobs because illegals have driven down the wages so much. Recently, a local chicken processing plant was forced to fire almost all its employees, who were illegals. Guess what! Local blacks quickly took all those jobs, but at higher wages. Forty-two percent of jobs in construction are, or were, held by illegals. Those jobs in the past were eagerly taken by blacks and college students.

BTW, when did I blame Dems for the situation? Didn't happen!

Obama: I believe in immigrants. They do the job that ordinary Americans won't do. Like being governor of California.





(Stolen from some late-night talk show comic LOL)

Well, since your screen-name surely indicates your native American heritage, you certainly can laugh about the immigrants to North America!

LOL. I'll be here all week.

Advocate, It's because you don't understand basic economics. Do you understand where most illegals work? On farms, in restaurants, and in construction.

Do you really believe they drive down wages in those areas of our economy? Think again!

Farms must compete with food produced around the world. They cannot pay higher wages when most family farms have already disappeared from our landscape, because they are not able to compete with the conglomerates who have operations around the globe - producing the products Americans buy.

In the restaurant business, most cannot survive, and if my memory serves, over 80% of restaurants do not survive. Higher wages? How? The competition for customers - especially during these tough economic times - makes it imperative that they keep wages low, and most depend on tips to survive.

I shouldn't have to tell you what has happened in the construction industry in the US, but I'll be happy to post my opinion if you ask.

Please look at both side of the coin before you come to conclusions that "illegals keep wages low."

Advocate, I must make a correction about restaurant failure rates. I believed in the "myth" about the 80%, but here's a link that shows that most new restaurants survive.
http://www.startribune.com/yourvoices/70085642.html

Back to the drawing board; but my opinion about wages and tips stands as posted.

I've been reading many articles about good deals at restaurants during these tough economic times. Even our local newspaper has more coupon deals and discount days.

I've never thought that Mexican immigrants take away jobs that should be American's. Dopey, that. They are good people, they are our neighbors, and there is no stopping them from coming here. My oldest son married a girl from Mexico, and the photos they send us reveal some very wealthy people there. A huge country, Mexico, and parts of it are extremely successful.

Besides, these people are smart. We have a fellow who helps us with the landscaping projects we've taken on. He knows exactly what to do with them, we don't. Also, America is running out of people who know how to fix things - you know, furnaces, washing machines, etc. They are just good at that, a sort of take-over people, they come in and get the job done, any job. The next generation will probably be repairing and building computers and airplanes.

free capitalism, workers attend to jobs needed, workers don't attend to jobs not needed. pretty simple idea, innit?

I think it a confusing, maddening issue to even talk about. It shouldn't have happened in the first place, but ? I hate the damn fence idea, it seems archaic. So, now it's drugs and we're damned if we do or don't. Mexico looks like America when the Mafia ruled. What a mess.

Advocate, both political parties have selfish reasons for not enforcing immigration laws, the Democrats because they can gain voters, if not now, in the future by advocating amnesty to enlarge their voter base among Hispanics. They also make political points by demagoguing Republicans in regard to the racial aspects of illegal immigration. Republicans have their own selfish reasons, relating to business obtaining cheap labor, and a labor force that is thankful for a job, a labor force that works hard and are pretty responsible. And actually Democratic Party business interests and labor unions also have similar motivations in that respect also.

Both parties are to blame for creating this problem, but I think the Democrats by far shoulder the bulk of the blame.

Sarah Palin, oh my goodness. She talks way too much about private matters, parades her children around, carrying the baby for Pete's sake. You just have to listen to her, watch her, with mouth open. Should we laugh, or cry? Why does she continue talking about shooting moose, or such things, parading around in her big rubber thingys when she's fishing? Maybe she could spend some time in N.Y or CA.

Why New York or California? Why should she have to pander to those snobby states?

yeah Okie, it's not like they are amerians or anything, hell most of them have never even been to Oklahoma.

Pemerson, When we were young, my brothers and I had to work out in the farms to pick fruit (we always lived in the city), and truck them to the warehouse where they sent them to canneries or produce markets. It was hard physical labor, and we worked with Mexicans and blacks. I have always been impressed by the Mexican's hard work ethics, and still see them working in many of the restaurants in our area. Many have been promoted to cooks and managers, and do quite well. When I need physical work done at my home, I go to Home Depot to recruit some Mexicans to work around our home. I'm always pleased with the work they perform, and usually end up paying them more than what I quoted before they started the job. I will continue to do this; hire Mexicans when I need work done around our home. When we had major renovations done to our home in 2008, many of the contractor's workers were Mexican, and they did quality work.

I've never been disappointed.

Re: Okie. post #3886760
Why New York or California? Why should she have to pander to those snobby states?
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No, not pander, okie, just visit. Stand on a street corner, watch the people, see how they spend their lives. Hardly any Americans fish and hunt for their food. For God's sake, I live about 35, 40 miles from Austin and probably every single 'ranch' is for sale, just waiting to become a shopping center or housing development. You can visit a new restaurant and there, right outside the window, those cows are a barbed wire fence away and chomping on the grass in a ranch that's for sale. Our development is one circle with used-to-be ranches for sale behind us, on each side, and in front where the street is being widened to 5 lanes. (In other states these ranches may be called farms.)

Snobby? I haven't really found snobby in any state that I've lived in - Texas, Alabama, Ohio, Michigan, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Florida. And, now that she's in New York (I guess) she won't be hunting and fishing for the food she eats.

I don't think she spent too much time studying the territory (outside Alaska). She talks about odd things, and doesn't stop or try to change even when people criticize her. I don't think she'll be that great on Fox either.

You are a dupe for the farmers and other employers who want to increase their profits by paying slave wages. Any reputable economist would tell you that paying more for citizen workers would not raise prices that much. The illegals are destroying the lives of many, many, blacks and other low-wage people.

Pemerson says illegals don't take jobs from citizens because the former are nice, talented, etc., people. What in the hell do the characteristics of the illegals have to do with whether they take jobs from citizens? That is truly stupid.

I hope the fence is finished in the reasonably near future.

I do not know that Palin is ready to be president, but there are a couple of things I do know, she knows more about common sense economy than Obama does, no doubt in my mind. She knows that it is Americans that will pull the economy out of the doldrums, not government. She has a common sense approach to issues. She is one of us, that much I believe. Far different than Obama, far far different.

She also understands the realities of the energy industry, a subject that Obama is totally clueless about.

People made fun of her in regard to her foreign policy statement that she could see Russia, and this has become the butt of comedian jokes on a routine basis, but the funny part of this is that the joke may actually be on the comedians and the Democrats, I think in an ironic sort of way she is actually correct, that she probably knows more about the realities of foreign policy than Obama, not because she can see Russia, but because Alaska is actually more aware of the realities of certain things about foreign policy moreso than a community agitator in Chicago of all places. Obama is totally and absolutely clueless in regard to the realities of foreign policy.

You are wrong on just about every detail here. Perhaps you could find us just one "reputable economist" who would assert that our construction, food processing and agriculture industries could function without immigrant labor or could raise wages sufficiently to attract large numbers of citizen enployees without significantly raising prices - and in some cases destroying domestic production altogether and substituting with imports.

Have you ever been to the central valley of California? Lots of Mexicans, white rednecks (former okies)and a few orientals working in the fields and processing plants there. No blacks however.