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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
xingu
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 07:13 am
Be a good job for you, but better yet, a guard at a concentration camp. There you can kill and torture your "enemies of the country" to your hearts content.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 10:27 am
I'm sorry if your visit to Guantanamo wasn't to your liking. Next time, make sure to ask for a padded cell.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 01:16 pm
xingu wrote:
Some things never change.

Quote:
Pat Buchanan's Anti-Hispanic Rhetoric Echoes Earlier Anti-Immigrant Hysteria
In his new book and in numerous media appearances, Pat Buchanan has been trying to make the case that Mexican immigrants are fundamentally unlike past immigrant groups. Buchanan, who is of Irish ancestry, argues that Germans, Irish, Italians, etc were different because they were willing and able to assimilate. Last night on Hannity and Colmes he stated, "[T]he guys I went to school with in the '50s and '60s and the '40s, they were the sons of immigrants. They'd all been completely assimilated, Americanized. We were marinated in the same culture."

But Buchanan's statements against Hispanic immigrants mirror the charges that German, Irish, Italian, Jews, and other immigrant groups also faced. Some examples:

Immigrants will not be able to assimilate:
Where the Italians wanted to be part of our family, millions of Mexicans are determined to retain their language and loyalty to Mexico. They prefer to remain outsiders. They do not wish to assimilate and the nation no longer demands that they do so. [Buchanan, p. 28, 2006]

VERSUS

Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]

Immigrants are responsible for crime: Immigrants plan to commit treason against America:
Mexican-Americans can now become citizens of Mexico again. The whole idea is to create this giant fifth column in the United States which can leverage the American government in elections and pressure them to do what is in the interest of the nation of Mexico. [Buchanan, 8/22/06]

VERSUS

[A] set of citizens, German and Irish, wanted to get the Constitution of the U. S. into their own hands and sell it to a foreign power. [Theme of an American Nativist Party rally, 1844]

Immigrants come from inferior cultures:
[A]lmost all immigrants today, legal and illegal, come from countries and cultures whose peoples have never before been assimilated into a First World nation. [Buchanan, p. 221, 2006]

VERSUS

Today, instead of a nation descended from generations of freemen bred to a knowledge of principles and practice of self government, of liberty under the law, we have a heterogeneous population, no small proportion of which is sprung from races that throughout the centuries have known no liberty at all… In other words our capacity to maintain our cherished institutions stands diluted by a stream of alien blood, with all of its misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed. [Rep. Albert Johnson, 1927, justifying the 1924 National Origins Act]

Immigrants will dilute the white race:
If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived. [Buchanan, p. 11, 2006]

VERSUS

The number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small…in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are Germans also, the Saxons only accepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]


http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/23/buchanan-nativism/

How about this one? Immigrants are welcome, and are one of our greatest strengths, but people who knowingly violated our immigration laws and jumped ahead of law abiding would-be citizens are unwelcome. How about this one? The US has the same right to regulate immigration as any other country. You may now call me a bigot, or make whatever other false accusations may serve to obfuscate the actual issues.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 05:12 pm
I suppose when it comes to putting food on the table, caring for your family our immigration laws are of secondary importance. Survival is more important than our immigration laws.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 08:43 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/04/wroad04.xml


http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 09:05 pm
We have enough crazies in congress to be considering two bills in direct contradiction to each other; immigration with strict border control, and complete open borders for "trade."
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 10:27 pm
cjhsa wrote:
A2K is getting to be like a giant traitor convention.
What is the betrayal in question?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 10:29 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
We have enough crazies in congress to be considering two bills in direct contradiction to each other; immigration with strict border control, and complete open borders for "trade."
You think the US can deal with Canada in those politicized black and white terms? Nope you would need to go red and white, much different Twisted Evil
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 10:32 pm
Chumly wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
We have enough crazies in congress to be considering two bills in direct contradiction to each other; immigration with strict border control, and complete open borders for "trade."
You think the US can deal with Canada in those politicized black and white terms? Nope you would need to go red and white, much different Twisted Evil


Chumly, My post was in response to the article linked by Amigo. Did you read it?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 10:39 pm
No sorry I was just having a little fun at (I hope) no one's expense except perhaps a few extremist politicians and maybe the odd (pun) Canadian - of which I am one.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2007 11:30 pm
Well this is extra funny. I have now read the article linked by Amigo and it seems my post fits in with the same tongue in cheek intent as before…………spooky!

In any case, I would be pleased to be able to live and work anywhere in the North American continent, and I would be fine with a single currency, and I do not have great sympathy for the passe and environmentally destructive inclinations of many of today's government sponsored agribusiness's, as we should be eating much lower on the food chain anyway, and further trans North American rail systems make much more ecological / social / economic sense than some "Nafta Superhighway", real or imagined.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 07:43 am
Quote:
Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.


Secure the border first.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:48 am
xingu wrote:
I suppose when it comes to putting food on the table, caring for your family our immigration laws are of secondary importance. Survival is more important than our immigration laws.

There is undoubtedly some percentage of the people who sneak in, who do so because they are literally, starving to death in their own countries. The rest just come in because the opportunities are greater here, not because they couldn't survive where they come from. Undoubtedly, some simply prefer not to wait in line.

We have the right to control immigration, something almost every country does, and we do not have the obligation to fix every other country's problems. We cannot and should not allow everyone in the world who prefers our country to their own to enter at will with no process or background checks. If it could somehow be verified, severe hardship cases should receive preference when they apply. It is not in our interest to act as though ignoring our laws is acceptable.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:50 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
xingu wrote:
I suppose when it comes to putting food on the table, caring for your family our immigration laws are of secondary importance. Survival is more important than our immigration laws.



[............] If it could somehow be verified, severe hardship cases should receive preference when they apply. It is not in our interest to act as though ignoring our laws is acceptable.


Well, exactly! It can and it is verified, they're called "refugees".
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:51 am
HokieBird wrote:
Quote:
Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.


Secure the border first.


Just not with deadly force Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 08:55 am
PS to note on Brandon's post: "asylum seekers" make claims which are supposed to be verified at some point.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:13 pm
Has anyone noticed this contradiction yet?....

Many of the people saying that illegals are coming here to work are the same ones saying that NAFTA sent all of our jobs to Mexico.

So,if all of our jobs are going to Mexico,why are so many illegals coming here?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
High Seas wrote:
PS to note on Brandon's post: "asylum seekers" make claims which are supposed to be verified at some point.


Otherwise they weren't asylum seekers :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:21 pm
mm:
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Has anyone noticed this contradiction yet?....

Many of the people saying that illegals are coming here to work are the same ones saying that NAFTA sent all of our jobs to Mexico.

So,if all of our jobs are going to Mexico,why are so many illegals coming here?


See how twisted some people's thinking can get?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2007 02:22 pm
BTW, the above post was meant for everybody except mm. mm wouldn't understand what is meant.
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