CalamityJane wrote:There is no wall between east and west Germany any longer, Baldimo.
Actually in November of 1989 the wall fell....
Really you don't say. It fell. Is that what I was watching on TV all those years ago?
CalamityJane
Quote:Saying the fence between Israel and Gaza is 100 % effective, shows
me the density of blinders, some people run around with.
I doubt that they are 100% effective. However from all the reports I have heard they have been quite effective in keeping the suicide bombers at bay.
Walter Hinteler wrote:Baldimo wrote:Big diffence between keeping people in and trying to keep people out. Our fences are used to keep people out. Yours were used to keep people in. It should be hard to get in and easy to get out.
I clearly oppose that it were our fences and our wall.
Read up a little bit, Baldimo, please!!!
Those fences and the wall were errected by the GDR and they indeed - online in various media sources (radio, tv, newspapers, book extracts etc) said, they built it to prevent us to come in.
Walter, I guess that at least one person wanted in E. Germany for every 10,000 who wanted out.
Walter Hinteler wrote:CalamityJane wrote:Saying the fence between Israel and Gaza is 100 % effective, shows
me the density of blinders, some people run around with.
That's what advocate proves constantly on another thread and therefor I didn't mention it here.
Walter, what are you driving at? What relevance does it have to this discussion.
Advocate wrote:Walter, I guess that at least one person wanted in E. Germany for every 10,000 who wanted out.
Roughly 95 000 fled out the GDR between 1961 and 1989, from 1949 until 1989 altogether 3.5 million.
(And from 1990 until now more than 2 million left that part of Germany to settle in the former west.)
There is a lot of hypocricy in the fence issue.
Saudi Arabia enrages Yemen with fence
Saudi Arabia, one of the most vocal critics in the Arab world of Israel's "security fence" in the West Bank, is quietly emulating the Israeli example by erecting a barrier along its porous border with Yemen.
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Sa'ada, 25 miles south of the border, has the biggest of Yemen's numerous arms souks. Here an 85mm surface-to-surface missile can be bought for $2,500. Anti-aircraft missiles are no longer on display, but they can still be had for the right price. The row of shops attracts thousands of buyers each day for weapons from China, Russia, Belgium, Spain and even Israel - a country Yemen does not recognise or trade with. There are about 60 million weapons owned by the 20-million strong Yemeni population.
Osama bin Laden's roots straddle both sides of the border. He was born and raised in Saudi Arabia, but has strong ancestral ties to Yemen - a tribal and largely lawless country, where all males past puberty outside the main cities openly bear arms. Yemen remains the place that al-Qa'ida operatives see as home. But Saudi Arabia is the source of ideological inspiration and financial support. Many are products of the Saudi education system, which breeds extremism.
Al-Qa'ida's leader in Yemen, the Saudi-born and educated Mohammed Hamdi al-Ahdal, who was arrested last year, is a case in point. He has revealed under interrogation to Yemeni authorities that Saudis and Yemenis were involved in funding two major terrorist attacks in Yemen - against the USS Cole in October 2000, which killed 17 American sailors, and the French supertanker Limburg in October 2002.
But Saudi-Yemeni tensions long pre-date the "war on terror". Saudi Arabia has a history of supporting tribal and other disaffected Yemeni groups to keep unstable a country they see as a security threat.
The ruling family, Al-Saud, who sponsor the Wahabi school of Islam that damns Shias as infidels, even gave military assistance to the hereditary Shia ruling family of Yemen when it was deposed in a coup in 1962. The country split in two soon after into a traditionalist North Yemen and Marxist South Yemen, but reunited in 1990, despite official Saudi opposition.
--worldpress.com
Cycloptichorn wrote:Advocate wrote:The data show that there will be only modest increases in the cost of produce, etc.
What data?
Cycloptichorn
Ya, what data? (You can't get away with making up ridiculous
data on A2K)
Advocate wrote:The word on fences is that they are about 90 % effective. In Southern California, it has been a great success. The fence between Israel and Gaza has been about 100 % effective.
As if we so soon needed another reminder you are willing to say the dumbest things imaginable with a straight face.
DontTreadOnMe wrote:rather than a fence (the idea is a little too creepy for me), i'd like to see the 6000 new immigration officers that they keep talking about. along, of course, with the new tech toys.
Ya, that should only cost about a billion dollars annually... except Uncle Sam's never that efficient; so probably 10 billion. I'd rather keep that money. But if my Uncle insists on spending it; I'd rather he spend it helping people than trying to prevent them from helping themselves.
Ps,
Baldimo; respond to this:
Walter Hinteler wrote:Would you please - and I'm very serious here - correct your claim that it was "our" fence/wall, Baldimo?
Such really is a huge affront, especially since I was engaged personally in saving a couple of persons (and getting the dead bodies of two out of the Baltic Sea).
Bill, I did post support, and Fox supported my view with a good argument. What is your support that prices would soar? With you, being unable to argue the facts or reasons, you personally attack your opponent.
I must admit that you don't speak your nonsense with a straight face. You just maintain that stupid grin.
OCCOM BILL wrote:Ps,
Baldimo; respond to this:
Walter Hinteler wrote:Would you please - and I'm very serious here - correct your claim that it was "our" fence/wall, Baldimo?
Such really is a huge affront, especially since I was engaged personally in saving a couple of persons (and getting the dead bodies of two out of the Baltic Sea).
Is it really that hard to understand?
Walter spoke of "our" fence, meaning the US. Baldimo said "your" fence, meaning East Germany's wall in Berlin. Germany is now a single country, which would make it "our" to German's.
Now, I am not making a fence on the border to Mexico, so does that make it "my" fence? No. Just as the wall in Berlin is not Walter's. If he chose to take offense, that's on him for not interpretting Baldimo's statement as it was intended, rather he chose to take it as an offense.
this thread continues to degenerate from the ridiculous to the completely idiotic. keep up the good work folks and don't feel embarrassed by your stupidity you're all pretty consistent. I really loved this one
Quote:Fox supported my view with a good argument
damn, Dys, you beat me to the same point by twi minutes.
dyslexia wrote:this thread continues to degenerate from the ridiculous to the completely idiotic. keep up the good work folks and don't feel embarrassed by your stupidity you're all pretty consistent. I really loved this one
Quote:Fox supported my view with a good argument
I see what you mean. Duh!!!!
Advocate wrote: Bill, I did post support, and Fox supported my view with a good argument.
A good argument? Are you referring to that chatter about a few busts in a single meat plant?
And how can anyone miss Dys's illustrative point? Who is going to be be deterred by hopping a fence, if crossing a dessert doesn't get it done?
Beat me by 9, but I'm playing poker and reading email, too.
Someone made the point if we raise wages to the level that Americans will accept the price of goods produced will rise. What do you think will happen if the illegal aliens now supplying that labor become legal? No doubt they will as protected members of society who can no longer be exploited or fear discovery of being in the US illegally demand a comparable wage. In effect it is pay the freight now and employ American citizens or pay it later when the trespassers become legal.
au1929 wrote:Someone made the point if we raise wages to the level that Americans will accept the price of goods produced will rise. What do you think will happen if the illegal aliens now supplying that labor become legal? No doubt they will as protected members of society who can no longer be exploited or fear discovery of being in the US illegally demand a comparable wage. In effect it is pay the freight now and employ American citizens or pay it later when the trespassers become legal.
That's the problem with selective reading. Shortage of workers causes food to die on the vine. Happens even now with raid scares. Further, many, MANY illegals already command wages that meet or exceed what a typical American is paid (because they're worth it, because they work harder). Further, a sudden shortage of workers in certain fields would artificially inflate wages to levels that far exceed the value of the work performed, as well as the profit/loss line. Your simple reasoning is just that; simple.
There is an interesting article from the NYTimes about the men arrested while plotting to attack Fort Dix.
Here is one paragraph from the article...
Quote:The suspects include three ethnic Albanian brothers who entered the United States illegally, part of a family that has lived for years in Cherry Hill, N.J., where they attended public schools and relatives ran a roofing business and a pizzeria. They were joined by their brother-in-law, who was born in Jordan and is a United States citizen, and two other legal United states residents: an ethnic Albanian from the former Yugoslavia, and a Turk who lived in Philadelphia
Gee,I thought that illegals were just here for a better life.
mysteryman wrote:Gee,I thought that illegals were just here for a better life.
How do you know that those were/are illegals?
At least one (named Shnewer) is a U.S. citizen while the status of the others didn't give any int that they are illegally in the USA.
