What should be done about illegal immigration?

O'Bill, I feel better now that you have decreed that overpopulation poses no problems. BTW, you should check out the gridlock in many of our cities.

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Advocate wrote:

O'Bill, I feel better now that you have decreed that overpopulation poses no problems. BTW, you should check out the gridlock in many of our cities.

The United States is home to 31 people per square kilometer, ranking us 172nd out of 230 countries (your silly Chum's country ranks 219th, btw Rolling Eyes

). 36 different countries are 10 times as population dense as we are. 5 countries are 100 times denser and Monaco boasts the record at 763 times denser. For comparison's sake; China is 21 times more populated per square kilometer than the United States. Furthermore; scarce few countries are more resource abundant than the United States. Anti-immigration folks are going to have to think of a better reason than overpopulation for their selfishness. Here, we have no such problem.

ps. City traffic is a management issue, not a population issue.

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O'Bill, who is the chum to whom you refer?

Frankly, I don't want our country to be another China or India, both of which have terrible pollution problems. You can be sure that pollution problems will increase exponentially along with the population. Nor do I want to live in a Monaco or other highly-populated country where people live on top of each other.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Water scarcity is merely one example of the downside of an exploding population. There is also the matter of insufficient farm and timber land, watershed, mining resources, park land, air and water quality, etc.
None of which pose a difficult problem in the United States.

David Suzuki has much to say to counter OB's specious claims David Suzuki Foundation

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What are the negative impacts of illegal immigration?
Can you think of more?

overcrowded and under-funded schools
diseases
increased health care costs
degraded health care service
higher auto insurance premiums
poverty
lawlessness
social conflict
over-population
unemployment
lowered wages
vote fraud
increased crime
illegal drugs
environmental degradation
depletion of natural resources
loss of common language and culture
increased traffic congestion
higher taxes
--Yahoo Answers

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Advocate wrote:

Can you think of more?

My concern focuses on the numerous declining "biological barometers" given a human population much higher than there is sufficient rational grounds for, versus the inherent risks as outlined by the David Suzuki Foundation

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Chumly wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Water scarcity is merely one example of the downside of an exploding population. There is also the matter of insufficient farm and timber land, watershed, mining resources, park land, air and water quality, etc.
None of which pose a difficult problem in the United States.
David Suzuki has much to say to counter OB's specious claims David Suzuki Foundation

Proving as usual that you like to use logical terms without understanding them. Regardless of what your "David Suzuki" has to say; I'm comfortable knowing there's nothing specious about using data from Wikipedia when they're quoting the United Nations. Rolling Eyes

For God's sake man; 3 quarters of the countries on this planet are at least ten times more densely populated than yours... get a grip.

Advocate wrote:

O'Bill, who is the chum to whom you refer?

The Canadian annoyance who keeps confusing himself with fallacious terminology. (yes chumly, that was ad hominem Rolling Eyes

)

Advocate wrote:

Frankly, I don't want our country to be another China or India, both of which have terrible pollution problems. You can be sure that pollution problems will increase exponentially along with the population. Nor do I want to live in a Monaco or other highly-populated country where people live on top of each other.

Well, relax, because it it isn't going to happen. If everyone on Planet Earth except the Chinese ALL moved to the United States, we still wouldn't be as population dense as they are. Does that make it clear enough?

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OC, you are as you have been all along confusing population per se with the considerations at hand as aptly outlined by David Suzuki.

Using your so-called "data from Wikipedia when they're quoting the United Nations" to try and assert the specious claim "None of which pose a difficult problem in the United States" is the height of myopic absurdity.

The facts speak for themselves as to the numerous declining "biological barometers" given a human population much higher than there is sufficient rational grounds for, versus the inherent risks as outlined by the David Suzuki Foundation.

It's understood that the population number, in and of itself is not the issue, you appear to not even grasp that simple point.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Cicerone wrote:

2. A temporary guest-worker program for agricultural and other low-skilled workers.
3. An overhaul of the H-1B visa program;

One of the key points of the progressive movement-- on both the immigration issue and the labor issue, is that any worker in the US should have full rights and a path to citizenship.
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Does that include the right to vote?
Are you seriously suggesting that non-citizens,and those here illegally,should have the right to vote?

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He said a "path to citizenship" and that means, as long as you are NOT
a citizen, you cannot vote, but frankly I am more concerned about
the Americans who are able to vote and don't exercise their rights.

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CalamityJane wrote:

He said a "path to citizenship" and that means, as long as you are NOT
a citizen, you cannot vote, but frankly I am more concerned about
the Americans who are able to vote and don't exercise their rights.

You must have missed this part (emphasis mine)...

that any worker in the US should have full rights and a path to citizenship.

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Glad you asked for clarification Mysteryman.

My point is that there are certain rights that are crucial for workers which include the right to change jobs, the right to ask for higher pay, the right to complain without fear of losing the right to be in the country and the right to join a union. If there is a significant part of the workforce that don't have these rights then all workers suffer.

Taking rights away from any worker hurts all workers because having a pool of workers who can be easily taken advantage of helps only unscrupulous employers.

The important thing for labor is that all workers have those rights that are important to workers. The right to vote is not a part of this.

This is why many (or most?) unions support a path to citizenship-- and all of them reject the idea of temporary guest workers.

CalamityJane is spot on about my opinions on a path to citizenship.

I agree with you MysteryMan that an immigrant should become a citizen (with the commitment that entails) before they are given the right to vote.

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The height of myopic absurdity is a man residing in the 12th least densely populated nation on earth, so bent on believing the sky is falling from overpopulation, that he thinks the starving masses shouldn't be fed.

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Are you guys still talking about illegal aliens?

I don't see how "rights" and "illegal" can be discussed at the same time.

How about the right for them to stay the f*** home and make their lives better there? How about the right to follow due process and stand in line with law abiding folks that want to come here legally?

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O'Bill thinks that if our population were somehow increased by 4.5 billion people, the country would still be fine. Wow, that is about the craziest thing I have ever read.

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Advocate
Hell! Don't you know there is plenty of room in the Grand Canyon. :wink:

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The mild Montana Winters would make the Mexican illegals feel right at home.

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I guess it is good to have someone on the board who provides, on a regular basis, a good laugh.

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McGentrix wrote:

The mild Montana Winters would make the Mexican illegals feel right at home.

That and yourself.

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Advocate wrote:

O'Bill thinks that if our population were somehow increased by 4.5 billion people, the country would still be fine. Wow, that is about the craziest thing I have ever read.

Where did you read it? O'bill wrote no such thing. My example illustrated that your fear of becoming as population dense as China was absurd. I'm surprised your Chum didn't race in to identify your obvious Strawman.

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