What should be done about illegal immigration?

Complete garbage.

These cops were innocent until proven guilty-- and they were proven guilty.

They were charged with a crime. They were given a fair trial with due process. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers. They were sentenced by a judge.

These cops were law breakers.

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Bull sh*t Baldimo. You are attempting to conflate different issues. I understand your concerns but the fact is that the guys in question broke the law. The fact that others also broke the law at various times doesn't give them the right to gun people down.

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn

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ebrown_p wrote:

Complete garbage.

These cops were innocent until proven guilty-- and they were proven guilty.

They were charged with a crime. They were given a fair trial with due process. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers. They were sentenced by a judge.

These cops were law breakers.

Brown you are a know border partol hater so your opinion is null and void on this subject in my opinion. Your complete disregard for border enforcement and immigration policies makes you a chapmion for the crooks crossing the border. I'm not suprised you clap when these border agents get busted. It only makes it easier to push your anti-legal immigration policies and make the good guys in this struggle afraid to do their jobs.

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Baldimo wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
Complete garbage.

These cops were innocent until proven guilty-- and they were proven guilty.

They were charged with a crime. They were given a fair trial with due process. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers. They were sentenced by a judge.

These cops were law breakers.

Brown you are a know border partol hater so your opinion is null and void on this subject in my opinion. Your complete disregard for border enforcement and immigration policies makes you a chapmion for the crooks crossing the border. I'm not suprised you clap when these border agents get busted. It only makes it easier to push your anti-legal immigration policies and make the good guys in this struggle afraid to do their jobs.

But, it isn't EBrown's opinion that matters in this case - it was the opinion of the jury. You seem to be overlooking this key point.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
Complete garbage.

These cops were innocent until proven guilty-- and they were proven guilty.

They were charged with a crime. They were given a fair trial with due process. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers. They were sentenced by a judge.

These cops were law breakers.

Brown you are a know border partol hater so your opinion is null and void on this subject in my opinion. Your complete disregard for border enforcement and immigration policies makes you a chapmion for the crooks crossing the border. I'm not suprised you clap when these border agents get busted. It only makes it easier to push your anti-legal immigration policies and make the good guys in this struggle afraid to do their jobs.

But, it isn't EBrown's opinion that matters in this case - it was the opinion of the jury. You seem to be overlooking this key point.

Cycloptichorn

I don't overlook anything. He's a cheerleader for the law breaking. Plain and simple. He has even leveled the charge of racist at those of us who would like to see the laws enforced. It doesn't suprise me he is happy to see these guys go to jail. For every border agent sent to jail for protecting our nation it makes it that much easier his buddies south of the border to break the law.

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Baldimo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
Complete garbage.

These cops were innocent until proven guilty-- and they were proven guilty.

They were charged with a crime. They were given a fair trial with due process. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers. They were sentenced by a judge.

These cops were law breakers.

Brown you are a know border partol hater so your opinion is null and void on this subject in my opinion. Your complete disregard for border enforcement and immigration policies makes you a chapmion for the crooks crossing the border. I'm not suprised you clap when these border agents get busted. It only makes it easier to push your anti-legal immigration policies and make the good guys in this struggle afraid to do their jobs.

But, it isn't EBrown's opinion that matters in this case - it was the opinion of the jury. You seem to be overlooking this key point.

Cycloptichorn

I don't overlook anything. He's a cheerleader for the law breaking. Plain and simple. He has even leveled the charge of racist at those of us who would like to see the laws enforced. It doesn't suprise me he is happy to see these guys go to jail. For every border agent sent to jail for protecting our nation it makes it that much easier his buddies south of the border to break the law.

Border agents who break the law deserve to be jailed as much as anyone else. Do you deny this?

Cycloptichorn

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It would appear that a good many of our congresspeople do not agree with the Judge and jury. Having been for jury duty a number of times I have seen the morons that are usually selected to actually sit on juries. Anyone who sounds intelligent is usually disqualified.

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There should be signs posted at the border stating that illegal entry into the US is trespassing and violators may be shot.

Brown
don't you agree Laughing

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au1929 wrote:

It would appear that a good many of our congresspeople do not agree with the Judge and jury. Having been for jury duty a number of times I have seen the morons that are usually selected to actually sit on juries. Anyone who sounds intelligent is usually disqualified.

I've been called as a witness now and then, but I've never been 'acceptable' to sit on a jury. Smile

I strongly oppose intentional illegal acts, brutality, wanton endangerment, battery, or killing when alternatives are available. I think every one of us is in agreement with that.

There is something sinister however when soldiers, police officers, security guards, border patrol, etc. etc. etc. are coming under ever increasing scrutiny and criticism for simply doing their jobs, and when the legal system is providing more sympathy, leniency, and benefit of the doubt with the law breakers than what those attempting to enforce the law can expect.

I think this encourages law breakers and seriously hampers the ability of those charged with enforcing the law to be able to effectively do their jobs.

When did the rules change so that all a crook or worse has to do is run and, if he is faster than those pursuing, they are not allowed to use any means to stop him that might hurt him?

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Baldimo and Au,

Do you at least agree that the Constitution is the final arbiter between you both and me (since we are all American citizens even though we disagree passionately)?

The cops in question had all of the rights that our laws and our Constitution give to people who have broken the law.

There are many controversial cases in which Americans disagree in the outcome (the OJ case is a good example) but in a Democracy we have to accept the outcome of the legal process.

You guys are still under the impression that all Americans agree with you.

Let me remind you that this is still a democracy... and I get as much say in the policies of the US as you do, and there are millions of American citizens who agree with me.

And further, let me remind you that as a democracy, we have an independant judicial system which is supposed to be immune to political passions. In my opinion, in the case of these trigger happy cops, our judicial system functioned perfectly.

These cops in no way had their rights violated.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Baldimo and Au,

Do you at least agree that the Constitution is the final arbiter between you both and me (since we are all American citizens even though we disagree passionately)?

The cops in question had all of the rights that our laws and our Constitution give to people who have broken the law.

There are many controversial cases in which Americans disagree in the outcome (the OJ case is a good example) but in a Democracy we have to accept the outcome of the legal process.

You guys are still under the impression that all Americans agree with you.

Let me remind you that this is still a democracy... and I get as much say in the policies of the US as you do, and their are millions of American citizens who agree with me.

And further, let me remind you that as a democracy, we have an independant judicial system which is supposed to be immune to political passions. In my opinion, in the case of these trigger happy cops, our judicial system functioned perfectly.

These cops in no way had their rights violated.

Thanks for giving me a good laugh. You who have time and time again said you do not agree with the immigration laws and therefore feel free not obey them now when it suits you lean on the law.

A post such as this coming from you should have been posted in the Humor category.

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Thanks for giving me a good laugh. You who have time and time again said you do not agree with the laws against shooting people in the butt and therefore feel free not obey them now when it suits you lean on the law.

A post such as this coming from you should have been posted in the Humor category.

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Browne
You got to do better than that. However as the say imitation is a form of flattery. Or something like that. Thank You.

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De nada.

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So let me get this straight. Border patrol agent gets sentenced for committing a crime according to the laws of our land after being found guilty by a jury of his peers; and the Pro-U.S. Law people have a problem with it? Look up the word HYPOCRISY. So, it's perfectly ok to use deadly force, whether it's necessary or not... just don't you dare trespass? Rolling Eyes

And, EBrown's ability to see the idiocy in this position is why he's being attacked? Laughing

(Geniuses.)

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Bill, you are correct about the rogue border officers. We don't need a law-enforcement officer who is judge, jury, and executioner.

Interestingly, after trashing the prosecution for months, Lou Dobbs had the lead prosecutor on the program. Dobbs was incredibly rude to the guy, not letting him finish a sentence. It was disgusting.

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From au's article:

"I just don't think the taxpayers should have to pay someone who broke the law and, in this case, someone who committed a crime by illegally trying to enter the United States," he said. "It's not any different than paying off a bank robber who happens to get shot on his way out of the bank.

"I lost a good deputy and a good man," the sheriff said, adding that Hernandez does not plan to appeal the conviction.
"He just doesn't trust the system anymore, and I'm sure you understand why," he said.

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That sounds good in a vacuum, CI... but you have to consider the bigger picture. Do you want to send the message that shooting at border crossers is unpunishable, because aliens don't have the citizenship to be protected from unnecessary deadly force? Really? That's not a slippery slope; it's a f*cking cliff.

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It's crazy to me that others who hold my position (sort-of against illegal immigrants) can't see how stupid the objections in this case are, Bill.

Real 'champions of the law'

Cycloptichonr

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OBill, It's a cliff for you, because you support illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants breaks the laws of our land by trying to come in illegally. There are ways to come into our country legally; many make the effort to do so.

Illegals who are drug offenders should not have the same legal protections as our own citizens. Drug offenders are convicted and sent to prison, because it's illegal. The issue of "illegal force" is an issue with many grey areas for people who break the laws of our country.

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