Foxfyre,
In this thread you are playing a cynical game. This is part of the reason why I am responding so strongly to what I feel-- that you are trying to rationalize what is at its core base an unsupportable position.
Show me how I'm doing that. Post any statement of mine (in context) that demonsrates that.
But it annoys me that you aren't playing fair. You are attacking the clear, well defined solution that I have offered-- yet you haven't offered any of your own.
Show me with any post of mine where I have attacked any solution you have offered, let alone a well defined one.
I have also spelled out the moral values that my position is based on quite clearly. The one value I remember you offering in this thread-- following the law-- you continue to dither with, including with the civil rights issue where you admit that some laws are OK to break.
I do admit I believe a people of laws obeys the law. I do not recall ever saying that it was okay to break some laws. Can you provide a post of mine to that effect?
Your belief that our European ancestors all came legally (as opposed to the newcomers who are alone in their willingness to break the law) was the most obvious example of a feeling that past European immigrants were superior to the current Latino immigrants.
Can you show me with any post of mine where I said that past European ancestors all came legally? Can you show me where I even alluded to the fact that past European immigrants were (or are) superior to the current Latino immigrants?
Let me answer again.
The number one concern for me is that people (and I emphasize the word people) who have been living and working and raising families and contributing and putting in roots, should be treated with compassion understanding and decency.
I haven't seen anybody say they should be treated otherwise. Have you?
But, political reality being what it is, I am offerening the McCain-Kennedy bill as a compromise that will deal with the compassion issues that I care about while addressing the security issues that many care about. It even gives a fine, background check, requirement to learn English and pay back taxes.
I acknowledge you like the bill. You have not, however. commented on the many posts that show how the bill may not be realistic or feasible.
This is a clear solution and I haven't left any doubt on my position with any of the so-called "difficult issues" you have raised.
Yes, you have left a lot of doubt where you stand on the so-called 'difficult issues' when you won't directly answer the questions. I believe the one certain position you have taken is that nobody who is here now should be deported. That is a fair opinion to hold and others on this thread share it. If I have misread you on that point, however, please advise. You have ignored or dodged all the really difficult (difficult in my opinion) questions related to that such as should there be no quotas, restrictions, etc. other than those outlined by McCain......
But you haven't directly stated your position other than to attack the compassionate solutions we are offering.
Again, please show me any post of mine where I have attacked a compassionate solution.
You keep insisting I spell out my position, and I keep spelling it out.
A few minutes ago I posted several questions I would appreciate your answering. You haven't answered any of them. That of course is your prerogative and I can understand how you might think I am setting a trap. I am not. I really would like to see the answers, and when you don't answer you maybe can see how I don't think you are spelling out your position at all unless your position is that no questions of any kind need to be answered in order to go with your solutions, and it is wrong to ask any.
When are you going to spell out your position.
