au1929 wrote:Path to citizenship. Get knocked up in the US.
And that's one I'm torn on too, Au. I hate meddling with the Constitution on that issue, but changing the Constitution to read that persons born to a U.S. citizen obtain automatic citizenship would eliminate the anchor baby problem. Nobody in any emergency room in the country would be mean enough to turn away a woman in labor no matter who she is. But when they allow her to have the baby in the hospital, voila, that baby is a U.S. citizen. That apparently is a powerful lure for women about to deliver to somehow make it across the border before the baby comes. We can't deport a U.S. citizen and it is so heartless to separate a mother from her child.
That is one of many of these thorny little issues that we'll have to deal with in any kind of comprehensive and workable immigration policy.
Bad history or selective history is not at all difficult to dispute.
DATE EVENT
1830 On April 6, the Mexican government forbids further American emigration to Texas.
1832 June 26, the Battle of Velasco. This battle saw the first casualties in relations between Texas and Mexico.
The Convention of 1832 was called by Texans to ask for reforms in government policy towards Texas. The reforms were rejected by the Mexican government.
1833 The Convention of 1833 was another attempt by Texans at reforms and they also drafted a constitution patterned after those in the United States. These measures were also rejected by the Mexican government.
1834 Stephen Austin as a representative of the Convention of 1833 was arrested without specific charges.
1835 On October 2, the Battle of Gonzales is waged and the War of Texas Indepedence begins.
On October 9, the Battle of Goliad takes place and ends with a victory for Texas.
On October 28, Texans are victorious at the Battle of Concepcion despite beign outnumbered 5 to 1.
On December 11, the Seige of Bexar ends with the Texans capturing San Antonio.
1836 On March 1, the Convention of 1836 begins meeting to sign a new constitution and form a new government.
On March 2, the Texas Declaration of Independence is adopted.
On March 6, the Battle of the Alamo is lost by Texas and becomes a rallying cry for the continued struggle for indepencence.
On March 27, the Goliad Massacre takes place in which Mexican General Santa Anna orders the execution of 400 surrendered Texans. This also becomes a rallying cry for Texas independence.
On April 21, Texans under Sam Houston soundly defeat General Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto. This victory secured Texas' Independence.
http://americanhistory.about.com/library/timelines/bltimelinetexasind.htm
Also the history of Texas/Mexico/and Slavery isn't quite so simple as O'bill's posted list might imply:
http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/slaverybugbee.htm
Earlier that year; Santa Anna, President of Mexico, proclaimed a unified constitution for all Mexican territories, including Texas... which of course included anti-slavery law. North American settlers in Texas announced their intention to secede from Mexico rather than give up their "right" to slavery.The primary problem with illegal immigration is that it is illegal. We cannot, as a nation of laws, ignore the incredibly massive breaking of them because of a desire to see our political constituency grow, or an urge to keep our labor costs low, or because we feel sorry for the poor sons of bitches. There are consequences to all of these motivations that only the foolish or irresponsible choose to ignore.
For what it is worth, I think you are being unduly harsh with Foxfyre.
I also I don't understand your abhorrence of the term "anchor baby." Clearly there are women who are having their children on US soil with the hope of thereby becoming "anchored" within our borders. Use of the term does not imply a belief that the mothers do not love their babies.
The initiative to free their slaves began in Mexico around 1921 when Mexico, after a long and bloody war with Spain, won its independence from Spain. Ironically, Obill doesn't seem to have a problem with this, but does have a problem with Texas fighting to win its independence from Mexico????? Texans stole Texas from Mexico but Mexicans didn't steal Mexico from Spain? Hmmm. Oh well, logic isn't playing much of a role in all this apparently.
Pity I never claimed Mexicans didn't steal Mexico from Spain and that my "problem" with Texas's fight for independence from Mexico was the motivation for same. Nor do you seem to make a distinction between a land that had been conquered several centuries earlier, and one who had invited American settlers, what, a decade before they started fighting for independence? Get a grip. If you saw me defending a Mexican for wishing to deny immigration to a Spaniard you'd have a comparison worthy of pointing out. Meanwhile, the point remains; you live in New Mexico on the very land of the forefathers of the people whose children you wish to deport. The Mexicans did start the process to free Mexican slaves in 1921, but the actual freeing of the slaves didn't happen until 1929 and the new policy did not extend into the territory that is now Texas. In fact, the Mexicans not only allowed but in a way approved and encouraged slavery to continue in Texas. It was the subsequent oppressive policies of the Mexican government that moved the Texans to secede to obtain their own freedom. Slavery was an element in that, but it was not a sufficient issue on its own.
Mexico begins to invite Americans to settle Texas territory under the conditions that the settlers convert to Catholicism and observe Mexican laws, including the abolition of slavery.
And I think maybe a Texan is as qualified to write Texas history as is a website devoted to make anything and everybody racist in a dishonest way.
Devoted to make anything and everbody racist in a dishonest way? Where do you come up with this sh!t? Here's one from Houstonculture.orgTexas Independence
In 1823, Stephen F. Austin brought 20 families to Texas with the permission of the Mexican government and settled a small community on the Brazos River. About 20,000 immigrants from the United States soon followed, bringing with them 2,000 slaves.
As the immigrant population exceeded that of the permanent residents, differences escalated between the newcomers and the Mexican government, which prohibited slavery. In 1834, Stephen F. Austin requested independence for the newly-settled lands and was jailed in Mexico City.
The American immigrants declared independence prompting Mexican President Santa Anna to lead troops to Texas to quell the rebellion.
Even though the rebels' suffered devastating losses at the Alamo and Goliad, General Sam Houston led a band of ragtag troops to victory over Santa Anna's vast army at the Battle of San Jacinto on April 21, 1836. Texas remained an independent republic for nine years before being admitted to the United States.
The question of slavery divided the state, and the nation, as people of many cultures began to pour into Texas.
old europe wrote:mysteryman wrote:What could be more compassionate or humane then that?
You're kidding, right?
So,its not compassionate to allow the mother to decide her childs life?
Its not compassionate to allow the mother to choose what kind of life her child will have?
If my solution is so bad,lets see you come up with one that addresses the problem of "anchor babies" that does not reward the mother by allowing her to stay here illegally.
How about you simply allow her to stay here legally? Will that hurt you, your way of life, or you security in any way, shape or form?
mysteryman wrote:You're a sick man. There is nothing compassionate about making a mother choose between her child and her child's best interest. Compassionate would cover both.old europe wrote:mysteryman wrote:What could be more compassionate or humane then that?
You're kidding, right?
So,its not compassionate to allow the mother to decide her childs life?
Its not compassionate to allow the mother to choose what kind of life her child will have?
mysteryman wrote:Gee, that's a tough one.If my solution is so bad,lets see you come up with one that addresses the problem of "anchor babies" that does not reward the mother by allowing her to stay here illegally.
