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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 12:41 am
dlowan wrote:
Did somebody infect him, do you think?


Yes. And taken the rather long incubation time, some others might follow.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 12:54 am
No worries, folks, my position here hasn't changed one iota. I can't think of any great wall I'm a fan of. Seems to me most Mexicans are God fearing, family oriented types and deserve a little more respect from the Party that pushes that kind of stuff.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 01:19 am
I think we're getting to him.



That head isn't as hard as he makes out.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 01:20 am
Careful Walter. I've seen where you live. In fact; the other day I peeked in your skylight!
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 01:23 am
Lucky I don't know your address, bunny!
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 05:26 am
My construction site is 70% latino and I'd guess 30% of them are illegal...one of them told me it costs him $3,000 to fly home...$500 for the airline ticket and $2500 for the coyote to drive him across the border...notice I said DRIVE...those that walk are only paying $1,000
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 11:17 am
Hey, long time - no see.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 11:31 am
Indeed. Christmas hugs to both Panzade and Roger. Smile
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2006 10:59 am
awwww...thanks. Roger and Foxfyre are what keeps me coming back to this forum
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2006 05:54 pm
What's up Panz?

Another thread just reminded me of an awesome music video by MOLOTOV I saw in Costa Rica on this subject. Spanish speakers will find it more amusing, but there's plenty of English too. Click Here
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 17 Dec, 2006 06:51 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
What's up Panz?

Another thread just reminded me of an awesome music video by MOLOTOV I saw in Costa Rica on this subject. Spanish speakers will find it more amusing, but there's plenty of English too. Click Here


Speaking of Costa Rica musicians, I have been looking high and low for CDs by a Costa Rica group called "Equus". Anybody have a clue where I might locate one or more?
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:07 pm
Hey Bill...S Florida just ain't the same since you left
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 03:17 pm
I certainly hope Congress gets back on the immigration issue after the first of the year. I know two people here in Albuquerque, both imminently decent and valuable people we would be proud to have as fellow citizens, who are about to bail out because they are tired of trying to unravel and red tape to be able to stay here.

This article sums up the problem:

Legal immigrants to U.S. face green card logjam
30 November 2006

Following all the rules, Indian national Sanjay Mehta came to the United States on a temporary work visa in 1997, hoping to build a glittering career in the fast-moving information technology sector.

But nine years later his application for a green card remains snarled up in a bureaucratic logjam, and he looks with frustration at the strides made by illegal immigrants who he says simply jumped the fence from Mexico.

"Washington has taken notice of them ... But what about the plight of legal immigrants to this country? We seem to have been forgotten," said Mehta, who settled in Arizona with his wife and raised two children.

Many of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States are hopeful of gains from a new Democrat-led Congress next year, after massive street protests in U.S. cities pushed their cause to the top of the political agenda earlier in the year.

But more than a million legal immigrants like Mehta from as far afield as Europe, India and China complain that their lives have been placed on hold as they battle red tape to become permanent residents in the United States.

Many are highly skilled, with science, electrical engineering and medical degrees, and are hired by U.S. companies, universities and research laboratories under a strict visa system with an annual cap of 65,000.

Those that get through into the United States then face a wait of up to 12 years for an employment-based green card, in a process that damages their professional lives and may even jeopardize U.S. competitiveness, immigrants, employers and analysts say.

Lives Left In Limbo
All high-skilled immigrants seeking U.S. residency in 2004 had a college degree or better, and many would ordinarily be on a fast track career in research departments, hospitals and technology firms where they work across the United States.

But under the terms of the residency application they are tied to the job that they came into the country on, and face the prospect of watching colleagues advance while their lives remain on hold, advocates say.

"The long wait throws high-skilled professional immigrants' lives in limbo," said Aman Kapoor, the founder and president of Immigration Voice, a national grassroots organization representing skilled immigrants across the United States.

"They are not able to move to better job opportunities in the prime period of their career, which is very professionally frustrating for them," said Kapoor, an Indian national who works as a programmer analyst at Florida State University.

Others complain they face additional problems generated by the uncertain outcome of their residency application, including difficulty obtaining mortgage credit and even car loans.

"My wife has a masters in child psychology and has taught for more than 20 years in schools in Nigeria, but here she isn't allowed to work," said Kola Akinwande, a Nigerian database administrator based in Phoenix who has been waiting two years for a green card.

"I also have to pay out-of-state tuition fees for my son to study at university here, which puts an additional financial burden on the family," he added.

Jobs Left Unfilled
The process has been slowed down yet further since the September 11 2001 attacks, as lengthy background checks by the FBI can add two to three years to the already drawn-out process.

The immigration logjam is not just a headache for the foreign-born professionals and their families, who face repeated knock-backs in the long and uncertain path to residency.

Some U.S. employers, especially in the technology sector, where global competition is fierce, are also concerned that they are prevented from hiring the best and the brightest, who they need to keep ahead of the curve.

Microsoft says it currently has 4,000 to 5,000 technical posts it cannot fill at its research facilities in the Puget Sound area, while Texas Instruments has more than 200 vacancies for specialists to design, develop and test integrated circuits and semiconductors.

"The problem is that the U.S. education system is not producing enough people with a math, science or engineering background to fill these vacancies, so we are having to look outside," said Jack Krumholtz, Microsoft's chief lobbyist in Washington.

For employers and immigrant advocates, the solution includes raising the annual cap on H1B non-immigrant work visas to allow more skilled immigrants into the country, and speeding up the residency process to break the logjam.

Analysts warn that failure to do so could lead immigrants with sought-after skills to head for other countries like Australia, Canada and Britain, where the process is more streamlined.

"Unless this problem is corrected, the U.S. will be viewed by the best professionals as an unreliable place to build a career and have a family," said Stuart Anderson, the director of the National Foundation for American Policy think-tank.

But for Sanjay Mehta, any overhaul would come too late. Weary of delays and knock-backs, he packed up his life in Arizona, and took his wife and two U.S.-born children to start again in Britain.
SOURCE
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 03:38 pm
I suppose, law is law - with illegal as well as with legal immigrants.

Both can be changed.

But as well as illegal immigrants know that they are unlawfully entering a country, people with a limited working visa know that a time period usually really ends.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 03:43 pm
I guess their only hope would be to learn to speak spanish and adopt an Hispanic name.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 03:50 pm
Well one of these two folks is from Mexico City and does have a Hispanic surname. The other is Kenyan. And both are looking at European alternatives to the USA because they can't get through the red tape to get their green cards here.

And no, it hasn't escaped them that the illegals are getting all the attention with talk of an immediate guaranteed right to stay here while these two individuals wait.....and wait......and wait. When they go, they'll be taking a nice small business that employs about 50 folks with them.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 02:29 pm
for a differnet view on immigration have a look at the article from the BBC .
spain has seen quite an influx of immigrants .
after many spanish people left spain for greener pastures in other european countries during the 60's and 70's , the trend has now reversed aand there is an influx of people from other countries .
and it seems that they are able to get along quite well .
hbg
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When Romanians become citizens of the European Union on 1 January, they will find they are barred from working in most European countries.

But more than two million Romanians, a tenth of the country's population, are already there, mainly in Spain and Italy.

Overall, they send home more than 3bn euros (£2bn) per year.

This exodus is changing the face of local communities both in Romania, and in the countries where the settlers make their new home.


The Spanish village of Aguaviva is in the middle of nowhere, more than 100km from the nearest city. An imposing baroque church towers over tightly-knit rows of houses built in the local pale stone.


But the food shop sells Romanian salami and cheese, and if you go into the local cafe you are as likely to hear Romanian as Spanish.

The young woman behind the bar, Elena Hetea, comes from a Romanian village. She's among some 100 Romanians who now call Aguaviva home.

"If only my parents were here, then it would really feel like home," Elena told me.

Her husband is working on a building-site close by and her sister also has a job in the village. After four years in the province of Teruel, one of the most sparsely populated regions in Europe, Elena mixes her Romanian with the odd Spanish word. She's the sort of immigrant they like around here.

Elena Hetea and her husband dream of going home one day
"All the Romanians who came settled down without any problems," a local builder says.

"They're all working and buying houses. They're like us, normal people from a poor background."
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full article :
IMMIGRATION : A TALE FROM TWO EUROPEAN VILLAGES
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:03 pm
hamburger wrote:
for a differnet view on immigration have a look at the article from the BBC .
spain has seen quite an influx of immigrants .
after many spanish people left spain for greener pastures in other european countries during the 60's and 70's , the trend has now reversed aand there is an influx of people from other countries .
and it seems that they are able to get along quite well .
hbg
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When Romanians become citizens of the European Union on 1 January, they will find they are barred from working in most European countries.

But more than two million Romanians, a tenth of the country's population, are already there, mainly in Spain and Italy.

Overall, they send home more than 3bn euros (£2bn) per year.

This exodus is changing the face of local communities both in Romania, and in the countries where the settlers make their new home.


The Spanish village of Aguaviva is in the middle of nowhere, more than 100km from the nearest city. An imposing baroque church towers over tightly-knit rows of houses built in the local pale stone.


But the food shop sells Romanian salami and cheese, and if you go into the local cafe you are as likely to hear Romanian as Spanish.

The young woman behind the bar, Elena Hetea, comes from a Romanian village. She's among some 100 Romanians who now call Aguaviva home.

"If only my parents were here, then it would really feel like home," Elena told me.

Her husband is working on a building-site close by and her sister also has a job in the village. After four years in the province of Teruel, one of the most sparsely populated regions in Europe, Elena mixes her Romanian with the odd Spanish word. She's the sort of immigrant they like around here.

Elena Hetea and her husband dream of going home one day
"All the Romanians who came settled down without any problems," a local builder says.

"They're all working and buying houses. They're like us, normal people from a poor background."
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full article :
IMMIGRATION : A TALE FROM TWO EUROPEAN VILLAGES


Again, I favor a world where anybody is able to apply to live pretty much anywhere he or she pleases, and I also favor a world in which a nation has the ability to say who and who not will be eligible to work, live, be a citizen of and/or receive benefits from that nation. These two things are not necessarily in opposition or contradictory.

I think Spain would indeed get along quite well with people from anywhere who are willing to assimilate into the Spanish culture, live lawfully, work, and contribute to the economy. All countries benefit from that sort of immigrant. I think Spain would not be well off with a large influx of people who are there to freeload off the society and/or those who think blowing up trains is a good thing to do.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:12 pm
"After four years in the province of Teruel, one of the most sparsely populated regions in Europe, Elena mixes her Romanian with the ODD SPANISH WORD (my emphasis) . She's the sort of immigrant they like around here. "

seems that the spanish are accepting the romanian language ; as in earlier times they accepted the 'arabian' language and incorporated it partly into their language .
and the spanish are quite proud of the many 'moorish' buildings , artifacts and art left from the occupation by the 'moors' .
hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:20 pm
re what

Foxfyre wrote:

This article sums up the problem:

Legal immigrants to U.S. face green card logjam
30 November 2006

Following all the rules, Indian national Sanjay Mehta came to the United States on a temporary work visa in 1997, hoping to build a glittering career in the fast-moving information technology sector.
... ... ...



From the Dallas Morning News (subscription/register) (28.12.2006, page 12A)

Quote:
Work visas are scarce for unskilled laborers
IMMIGRATION PROPOSALS
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