I dont know what is worse,
being ignored because I am black,
or being talked with because I am black.
Why cant people just talk to people?
Exactly, wolf mother. The name is what I have always proclaimed. That is why I insist on addressing the person by his/her screen name even here on this forum. Frankly, dear. I didn't even know you were a person of color.(sorry for the PC) I thought that you were an American Indian, honestly.
I am both.
My mother is cherokee, my father black.
it makes it hard when someone asks for defination.
I cant deny one just to acknowledge the other.
And I get strange treatment from people because of it.
I have curly hair that lets you know I am black, I have alot of the basic features that black people have as well.
But, I look spanish, or I have heard Samoane? ( spelling..)
I dont fit in with most black people because I am told that I am not black enough, or that I think I am white.
I dont fit in with most Indians because I am not 'pure blood'.
It is a strange setting indeed.
You didn't say my name, shewolf. See? I now understand so much more now.
Shewolf
I really had no idea what you were until now and I still couldn't care less.
People are people to me and that's all she wrote ;-)
During the era when colonies were carved out, behaviour of the conquerers differed a lot.
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The Spaniards either made Christians of the locals or cut their heads off. The British marched over them. The French married them.
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That is how the Canadian Metis were created.
http://www.uwgb.edu/wisfrench/library/articles/metis.htm
Re: I Was Invisible, Except for My White Skin
Excellent topic to make us think of how we react in certain situations, as opposed to what we say.
I have always thought that I am totally unbiased. But the truth is otherwise, unfortunately. Try the test on this site:
prejudice test
Click on the words
Project Implicit's website
One little point: On the original post
Bella Dea wrote:It makes me sad to know that the people who cry "racist" at me (which is the case here in many parts of Detroit) are the ones who are racist.
This is a biased statement in itself. It assumes that everyone within one group is a hidden racist.
That's why I said (which is the case here in many parts) rather than all parts or all black people. And I was singling out the group of people who call the white suburbians racists.
I've always been a racist that's why I drive a Porsche 911 Carrara.
Interesting site though Tico.
Apparently, this is me.
Quote:
Your data suggest little or no association between LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES with Self and Other.
I am a mix of races in the way that you can't tell what race I am. I grew up divided into three areas; Black, white and mexican.
People get very comfortable with me very quick in any crowd. I've seen every kind of racism right in front of me. I just observe it.
Sometimes the racism makes sense. Sometimes it's undirected bitterness. Sometimes it's a crutch.
I know exactly the kind of black person Bella is talking about. They are usually bitter about something white people did to them in the past that they are unable to get over so they take it out on all white people or it was passed on to them.
I also know a white woman that was rapped by a black gangster. She HATES all black people. In her house the word ni**er is used allday. Black people are degraded and judged inferior allday in that house and around all the five kids. They are moving to Arizona to get away from all the "F**king ni**ers and beaners and towel heads.
I have cought myself being racist towards every race even my own.
That was a weird test!
I'm not sure what I think of the methodology.
Anyway, this is my result:
Quote:Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Black compared to White.
If your feedback was 'The result could not be determined', click here.
Your result, reported above, is already corrected for the order in which you took the parts of the IAT. If you have a question about the effect of order, please read the answer to FAQ 1 on the page of FAQs for this test.
The interpretation shown above is described as 'automatic preference for Black' if you responded faster when Black faces and Good words were classified with the same key as opposed to White faces and Good words. It is marked 'automatic preference for White' if you were faster when giving the same response to White faces and Good words. Depending on the magnitude of your result, your automatic preference may be described as 'slight', 'moderate', 'strong', or 'little to no preference'.
If you have unanswered questions about the task, please review the frequently asked questions about this type of research. Any followup questions can be directed to the researchers by email at that page.
(Bella, I had to go looking for this one -- I think it is the one Tico recommended. Here's the direct link:)
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Process?mode=processStudy&xmlDocument=/implicit/research/education/race/race.xml
Does anybody remember Minorthreat? (No, they are not racist)
We are all convicted of the crimes of our own races by every other race.
MINOR THREAT LYRICS
"Guilty Of Being White"
I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born
GUILTY OF BEING WHITE
I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time
GUILTY OF BEING WHITE
I've had similar small experiences such as the one you described, not in specific detail, but in being "invisible" as you call it. I have always taken the attitude that one just needs to "suck it up," and get on with things.
I do think that there is often, at least an unconscious racism in action, though. Toronto is a city in which just about every shade of skin color can be seen just about everywhere, and especially in busy public places--subways, shopping centers and malls, downtown streets--and yet i have both never hesitated to speak to anyone, whether to ask a question, or simply to say hello, comment on the weather, whatever. The only occasions upon which i have not gotten a response were those in which i judged the person addressed simply was sufficiently adroit in English. I've never had that same experience of being invisible. The closest i think i come to that experience when in Toronto is when in one of the several areas in which Chinese/East Asians of some description so predominate, that anyone of any other description, black, white, brown, is distinct evidence of a rarely seen face.
as i have admitted before, I know that I feel racisim in my own mind to people I dont even know.
as amigo said, sometimes it is warranted ( rape ) , sometimes it isnt.
I have caught myself judging people before they even open thier mouths , just by the color of thier skin.
It will be interesting to see what this test says about me
Since I like simple, bare bones solutions, here is mine.
When I meet someone new, I ask myself two questions:
is this person interesting? is this person good-hearted?
All the rest is window dressing.
Eh, as I get older I talk to whoever seems to not be shut out for my saying something. Lot of people go around involved in their minds, which is a state I can appreciate from nearby or afar. Maybe as I get older I get safer looking (loopy old broad). Being from LA and with my associations, skin color is not the thing that might make me shut up. My self accusation re bias is towards loud dummies. I've been loud and dumb from time to time, but there's where repulsion lies. I probably have some class/money bias, re upper middles who I ascribe en group to thinking wealth equals merit, when I know better. Not that I don't like all upper middles... more that I could be too fast to be disgusted.
I think my fears of other have more to do with what I see in faces, whatever color.
I'm not sure that Test will let me in, as I don't think I have java, or whatever.
