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Secret societies... what is the secret?

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 12:43 pm
I agree wilth Roger that it's all about exclusivity. The secret is usually a very trivial thing (so trivial that when you find out what it is your response is likely to be something like, "Is that all there is to it?"), but its tacit purpose is simply to distinguish insiders from outsiders. What matters is the secret's function, not its content.
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RexRed
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 01:33 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
RexReed,

Are you into astrology?


Not really modern astrology but ancient astrology...

I believe the zodiac tells the story of the messiah, as we the church are also part of the heavenly story "written in the stars"...

I don't use the stars to understand everyday occurences but I use them to understand the past and by the past the stars reveal truth about now and the future world to come.

http://philologos.org/__eb-tws/

This is a book I have owned for over 20 years... It is like a stellar handbook to me...

It is so valuable to theology that it is offered on the internet for free...
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InfraBlue
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 01:51 pm
Umberto Eco wrote a book concerning secret societies and their occult, "Foucault's Pendulum," which, I've read, is a much better book than "The Da Vinci Code."

He explains the allure of these organizations in a brilliant passage about the secerts they promise:

A plot, if there is to be one, must be a secret. A secret that, if we only knew it, would dispel our frustration, lead us to salvation; or else the knowing of it in itself would be salvation. Does such a luminous secret exist?
Yes, provided it is never known. Known, it will only disappoint us. Hadn't Aglie spoken of the yearning for mystery that stirred the age of the Antonines? Yet someone had just arrived and declared himself the Son of God, the Son of God made flesh, to redeem the sins of the world. Was that a run-of-the-mill mystery? And he promised salvation to all: you only had to love your neighbor. Was that a trivial secret? And he bequeathed the idea that whoever ut­tered the right words at the right time could turn a chunk of bread and a half-glass of wine into the body and blood of the Son of God, and be nourished by it. Was that a paltry riddle? And then he led the Church fathers to ponder and proclaim that God was One and Triune and that the Spirit proceeded from the Father and the Son, but that the Son did not proceed from the Father and the Spirit. Was that some easy formula for hylics? And yet they, who now had salvation within their grasp do-it-yourself salvation turned deaf ears. Is that all there is to it? How trite. And they kept on scouring the Mediterranean in their boats, looking for a lost knowledge, of which those thirty-denarii dogmas were but the superficial veil, the parable for the poor in spirit, the allusive hieroglyph, the wink of the eye at the pneumatics. The mystery of the Trinity? Too simple: there had to be more to it.
Someone Rubinstein, maybe once said, when asked if he be­lieved in God: Oh, no, I believe . . . in something much bigger. And someone else was it Chesterton?, said that when men stop believing in God, it isnt that they then believe in nothing: they believe in everything.
But everything is not a bigger secret. There are no bigger se­crets, because the moment a secret is revealed, it seems little. There is only an empty secret. A secret that keeps slipping through your fingers. The secret of the orchid is that it signifies and affects the testicles. But the testicles signify a sign of the zodiac, which in turn signifies an angelic hierarchy, which then signifies a musical scale, and the scale signifies a relationship among the humors. And so on. Initiation is learning to never stop. The universe is peeled like an onion, and an onion is all peel. Let us imagine an infinite onion, which has its center everywhere and its cicumference nowhere. Initiation travels an endless Mobius strip.
The true initiate is he who knows that the most powerful secret is a secret without content, because no enemy will be able to make him confess it, no rival devotee will be able to take it away from him.
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RexRed
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 03:51 pm
My spiritual knowledge is vast and I have been taught the greatest secret in the world...

Anyone interested... any guesses?

:wink:

Here it is:

"The word of God is the will of God..."


...give that some thoughtful consideration.
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JLNobody
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 04:24 pm
the WORD of God? I find it hard to think that the Cosmos has a languge.
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RexRed
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 04:38 pm
JLNobody wrote:
the WORD of God? I find it hard to think that the Cosmos has a languge.


DNA is a language, atoms are small phrases that create sentences that build all things we see and measure in science. All of creation may have begun with one word...
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ebrown p
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 04:49 pm
Oh Yes, I know this one.

God said
"CGTTTAGGGCTTATTTACCCCTTTCGAAATGCA..."

Which roughly translated means "let there be life".

Moses then wrote that down as with a slight change

"CGTTTAGGGCTTATTTACCCCTTTCGAGATGCA..."
(which incidentally means "let there be light".)

But that's to be expected... but sometimes errors happen when you try to make copies in the language of DNA.
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JLNobody
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 05:56 pm
RexRed, excellent points, but when we speak of language, we are referring more to the compositional structure that we see in DNA or the atomic structure of physical things. But I see your point, and I could agree that the organizational "logic" of Nature is in some ways analogous to a language in that, like language, it might be thought about as having a "grammatical" set of regularities. But I do not think that such regularities constitute a set of "laws" of a Grand Legislator. The notion is only useful metaphorically.
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RexRed
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 06:54 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Oh Yes, I know this one.

God said
"CGTTTAGGGCTTATTTACCCCTTTCGAAATGCA..."

Which roughly translated means "let there be life".

Moses then wrote that down as with a slight change

"CGTTTAGGGCTTATTTACCCCTTTCGAGATGCA..."
(which incidentally means "let there be light".)

But that's to be expected... but sometimes errors happen when you try to make copies in the language of DNA.


Ps 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
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ebrown p
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 07:00 pm
Why so serious Rex, I was just making a joke. DNA works through errors in copying you know.

God has a sense of humor, I think we should too.
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kevnmoon
 
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Sun 19 Mar, 2006 07:05 pm
secret because.. If you say something secret.. you can implant all doctrins.. If you not secret.. so u ve to explain a lot.. Easyway for trying to do something illegal..

And also to get give importance to the persons who r bulb as a sun..
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:11 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Why so serious Rex, I was just making a joke. DNA works through errors in copying you know.

God has a sense of humor, I think we should too.



Sorry if my reply seemed insensitive it was not meant that way.

Jesus and Moses were playing golf one day... There was an ant hill next to the tee. Moses kept striking the ant hill instead of the ball with this club.
One ant looked up to another ant and said, I think the safest place is "on the ball"...

Smile
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:23 am
I think many secret societies have taken the true faith and corrupted it with their own reasonings..

For example.. many of them use symbols... One symbol is the "dove".

Yet I do not think they have any idea why the dove was symbolized in the true faith. If so then they have simply reversed it's meaning...

A secret society must have some truth or people would not follow into it...

The reason why the dove is used as a holy symbol is because doves do not have a gall blatter... Thus it does not keep gall within itself... This is the exact opposite of a secretive society. The secret itself is the gall...
Very un dove like...

So do we search for the truth with no gall that they have usurped and try to piece together the faith that they have obliterated with secrecy?
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Lightwizard
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:28 am
Momma Angel wrote:
Exactly what I was thinking, Rex. If you can't do it in the open you probably shouldn't be doing it at all I always say. :wink:


You mean like sex?
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:38 am
Lightwizard wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Exactly what I was thinking, Rex. If you can't do it in the open you probably shouldn't be doing it at all I always say. :wink:


You mean like sex?


Why is our society so ashamed of consensual adult sex? Is God not the greatest lover?

Very Happy
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Amigo
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:48 am
The New World Order (NWO)
An Overview
By Ken Adachi <[email protected]>
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/
Introduction

There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people. While the name New World Order is a term frequently used today when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.

The Illuminati is the oldest term commonly used to refer to the 13 bloodline families (and their offshoots) that make up a major portion of this controlling elite. Most members of the Illuminati are also members in the highest ranks of numerous secretive and occult societies which in many cases extend straight back into the ancient world. The upper levels of the tightly compartmentalized (need-to-know-basis) Illuminati structural pyramid include planning committees and organizations that the public has little or no knowledge of. The upper levels of the Illuminati pyramid include secretive committees with names such as: the Council of 3, the Council of 5, the Council of 7, the Council of 9, the Council of 13, the Council of 33, the Grand Druid Council, the Committee of 300 (also called the "Olympians") and the Committee of 500 among others.

In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the Illuminati agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.

There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simple be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."

The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people. (Springmeier has co-authored three books on trauma-based programming which detail how the Illuminati employs highly tuned and extrememly sophisticated Mind Control (MC) training programs that begin the programming process while the intended victim is still within the womb. Mind Control is a much greater problem than most people realize. According to Cisco Wheeler, a former Illuminati mind control programmer, there are 10 million people who have been programmed as mind controlled slaves using trauma-based MC programs with names like Monarch and MK Ultra. The newer, non-trauma, electronic means of MC programming that grew out of the Montauk Project, may include millions more. Al Bielek, who played a principle role in the development of the Montauk Project, said that there likely 10 million victims of Montauk style mind control programming worldwide, the majority located in the USA. He also said that there are covert Montauk Programming 'Centers' in every major city in the U.S. )

What most Americans believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells the Illuminati that the programing is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. While the thrust and content of the propaganda is decided at Tavistock, implementation of the propaganda is executed in the United States by well over 200 'think tanks' such as the Rand Corporation and the Brookings Institute which are overseen and directed by the top NWO mind control organization in the United States, the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.

The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skillful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear. In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

The technique is as follows: Illuminati strategists create the Problem- by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the Illuminati themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called "opposition" groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators' (recently the KLA-Kosovo Liberation Army).

At the same time, the leader of the established political power where the conflict is being orchestrated is demonized and, on cue, referred to as 'another Hitler' (take your pick: Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kadaffi, etc.). The 'freedom fighters' are not infrequently assembled from a local criminal element (i.e. KLA, drug traffickers). In the spirit of true Machiavellian deceit, the same NWO strategists are equally involved in covertly arming and advising the leader of the established power as well (the Illuminati always profits from any armed conflict by loaning money, arming, and supplying all parties involved in a war).

The conflict is drawn to the world stage by the controlled media outlets with a barrage of photos and video tape reports of horrific and bloody atrocities suffered by innocent civilians. The cry goes up "Something has to be done!" And That is the desired Reaction (note: the same technique is presently being used to bring about gun control in the United States).

The NWO puppeteers then provide the Solution by sending in UN 'Peace Keepers' (Bosnia) or a UN 'Coalition Force' (Gulf War) or NATO Bombers and then ground troops (Kosovo). Once installed, the 'peace keepers' never leave (Bosnia, Kosovo). The idea is to have NWO controlled ground troops in all major countries or strategic areas where significant resistance to the New World Order takeover is likely to be encountered.

East Timor, Indosnesia. (9/14/99) Virtually , the same strategy used to occupy Kosovo with UN/NATO troops was applied by the NWO manipulators to take military control of East Timor. Once again, the same morality play is trotted out for public consumption: the local evil and demonic Indonesian Army trained militias responsible for the slaughter of innocent civilians following the August 30 vote for Independence (from Indonesian control), must be stopped at all costs. This time, Australia (to keep up the appearance of an 'international' humantarian effort) will lead the charge with 'peacekeeping' troops. Of course, it didn't take long for Madeline Albright to announce that US 'support assets' will be part of the "UN Peacekeeping Team". In a front page story in the LA Times (9/13/99), Mike Jendrzejczyk of Human Rights Watch (an Illuminati front group) in Washington DC said that it's "crucial" that "peacekeepers have the authority to disarm militia forces and any Indonesian soldiers actively working with them". ]

The local, sovereign military force is either defeated (i.e. Yugoslavia) or, as in the case of the United States itself, replaced by foreign UN "Partnership For Peace" (PFP) troops who take over the jobs of US soldiers who have been sent overseas on 'peacekeeping' missions. In addition to being killed in ground conflicts on foreign soil, US military forces will likely be reduced in the next few years through disease induced attrition (i.e. from mandatory Anthrax Vaccinations required of all US military personnel). These vaccinations will, in all probability, eventually produce the symptoms of the so-called Gulf War Illness, which was acquired by a certain percentage of Gulf War soldiers who were given a "special" anthrax vaccine (intended by the Illuminati/CIA as a test run to ascertain how quickly (and fatally) the disease would progress with a substantial population of healthy young men and women).

The corporate portion of the NWO pyramid seems to be dominated by international bankers and the big pharmaceutical cartels, as well as other major multinational corporations. The Royal Family of England, namely Queen Elizabeth II and the House of Windsor, (who are, in fact, descendants of the German arm of European Royalty -the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family-changed the name to Windsor in 1914 ), are high level players in the oligarchy which controls the upper strata of the Illuminati. The decision making Illuminati nerve centers of this effort are in the London (especially the City of London), Basel Switzerland, and Brussels (NATO headquarters).

The United Nations, along with all the agencies working under the UN umbrella, such as the World Health Organization (WHO), are full time players in this scheme. Similarly, NATO is a military tool of the NWO.

The leaders of all major industrial countries like the United States, England, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (E.g. members of the "G7/G8" ) are active and fully cooperative participants in this conspiracy. In this century, the degree of control exerted by the Illuminati has advanced to the point that only certain hand-picked individuals, who are groomed and selected by the Illuminati are even eligible to become the prime minister or president of countries like England, Germany, or The United States. It didn't matter whether Bill Clinton or Bob Dole won the Presidency in 1996, the results would have been the same (except maybe for Zipper Gate ). Both men are playing on the same team for the same ball club. Anyone who isn't a team player is taken out: i.e.President Kennedy, Ali Bhutto (Pakistan) and Aldo Moro (Italy). More recently, Admiral Borda and William Colby were also killed because they were either unwilling to go along with the conspiracy to destroy America, weren't cooperating in some capacity, or were attempting to expose/ thwart the Takeover agenda.

Most of the major wars, political upheavals, and economic depression/recessions of the past 100 years (and earlier) were carefully planned and instigated by the machinations of these elites. They include The Spanish-American War (1898), World War I and World War II; TheGreat Depression; the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917; the Rise of Nazi Germany; the Korean War; the Vietnam War; the 1989-91"fall" of Soviet Communism, the 1991 Gulf War; and the recent War in Kosovo. Even the French Revolution was an orchestrated into existence by the Barvaian Illuminati and the House of Rothchild.

FEMA
In America, the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) was created in 1979 under Presidential Memorandum 32 authored for President Carter by Prof. Samuel P. Huntington, a Harvard professor and former FEMA Advisory Board chairman. Huntington wrote the Seminal Peace for the Trilateral Commission in the mid 70's, in which he criticized democracy and economic development as outdated ideas. As co-author of the book, Crisis in Democracy, Huntington wrote:

"We have come to recognize that there are potential desirable limits to economic growth. There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy. A government which lacks authority will have little ability short of cataclysmic crisis to impose on its people the sacrifices which may be necessary."

Huntington's ideas were rewritten into National Security Decision Directive #47 (NSDD47), which was enacted in July 1982 by President Reagan. Treated as a passing footnote by the media, this law identified legitimate areas to be upgraded to maintain national defense, but it also laid the groundwork for Emergency Mobilization Preparedness, a plan under which existing socio/economic regulations or other legal constraints would be waived in the event of a national emergency. This plan was further strengthened in Public Law 101-647, signed by President Bush in November 1990.What it boils down to is this: in the event that the President declares a national emergency, for any reason (from major earthquakes to increased international tensions or economic /financial crisis of any stripe), FEMA can then, at their discretion, implement Executive Orders 10995 through 11005. These Executive Orders permit a takeover by FEMA of local, state, and national governments and the suspension of constitutional guarantees. FEMA will have the authority to exert any sort of control that it deems necessary upon the American public. A trained National Police Force, formally referred to by the name of Multi Jurisdictional Task Force (MJTF), wearing black uniforms and composed of:

1. specially selected US military personnel
2. foreign military units carrying United Nations ID cards, and
3. specially trained existing police groups from larger metropolitan American cities.

These members of the MJTF will implement and enforce martial law under the direction and controlof FEMA. The President and Congress are out of the loop.

FEMA is the Trojan Horse by which the New World Order will implement overt, police-state control over the American populace.

War on Drugs
The "War on Drugs" is a cruel joke. The US government, specifically the CIA, is the biggest 'drug lord' on the planet. Drug money is used to pay for innumerable 'black projects', including the construction of huge underground cities housing both humans and aliens working with the secret US government.

The instigation of a trumped-up war as a cover for amassing fortunes can be dated back to at least the 12th Century when only a core group of nine members of an Illuminati group called the Knights Templar, the military arm of an Illuminati secret society known as the Priory of Sion, kicked off the The Crusades that lasted for over a century and a half. A rift later developed between the Templars and the Priory of Sion when Jerusalem was lost to Saracen Turks in 1187. In 1307, the king of France, Philippe the Fair (a Merovingian Illuminati), coveted the wealth and was jealous of the Templars' power. The French king, being a puppet of the Priory of Sion, set out to arrest all the Templars in France on October 13. While many Templars were seized and tortured, including their Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, many other Templars (who had been tipped off) escaped. They eventually resurfaced in Portugal, in Malta (as the Knights of Malta) and later in Scotland as The Scottish Rites of Free Masonry.

The acquisition and consolidation of ever greater wealth, natural resources, total political power, and control over others are the motivating forces which drives the decisions of the Illuminati. The toll in human suffering and the loss of innocent lives are non issues for these individuals, who are aligned with very dark and malevolent 4th dimensional aliens. The dominant group of 4th dimentional malevolent aliens controlling and manipulating the human Iluminati are known as Draconians or Drakos Reptilians. Not all alien reptilians are of a negative spiritual orientation.

Mind Control
Recent revelations from deprogrammed Illuminati (government) mind controlled individuals such as Arizona Wilder (The Biggest Secret), Cisco Wheeler ( The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave), Cathy O'Brien (Trance Formation of America), and Brice Taylor (Thanks for the Memories) leave NO DOUBT that the upper levels of the Illuminati engage in Satanic rituals which usually include the killing of young children, the drinking of human blood and the consuming of flesh and human organs.

The details of the Illuminati conspiracy are brilliantly laid out in the books of David Icke (Tales from the Time Loop, Children of the Matrix, Alice in Wonderland and the World Trace Center Disaster, The Biggest Secret, The Truth Shall Set You Free, and I am Me, I am Free; and in three books by Dr. John Coleman (Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of The Committee of 300; One World Order: Socialist Dictatorship; and Diplomacy by Deception
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:50 am
JLNobody wrote:
I agree wilth Roger that it's all about exclusivity. The secret is usually a very trivial thing (so trivial that when you find out what it is your response is likely to be something like, "Is that all there is to it?"), but its tacit purpose is simply to distinguish insiders from outsiders. What matters is the secret's function, not its content.



Good point.

Maybe the secret itself is it. It is simply the allure of a secret an not an actual secret? Why do people need to hear secrets? What is it within us that finds interest in or is attracted to secretive knowledge?

Does this date back to the original sin? Do we desire that which we cannot know? Do we tell what we know or speak what they tell? He who knows does not speak, he who speaks does not know...
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 12:06 pm
Amigo,

Your posts are most certainly welcome here...

But, that theory has more holes in it than a pasta strainer...

Yet it does have many merits too..

The conspiracists are just getting rich off of their buddy's secrets. So they are a paid part of the same illuminati... part of the same pyramid... Where do you think they get their knowledge? They are simply furthering the agendas by polarizing people and creating anarchists. These conspiracists have some fanatical disorder that they cannot see that they are already free in many countries or they would not be unhindered on the internet causing such division...

Many secret societies are no longer secret. They have opened themselves up to scrutiny in the last few decades. (including the Masons)

Also if there is not going to be a middle class then who is going to be the grunts that keep the several billion people in tow? Who is going to manufacture the microchips to go into a million peoples brains? Is the dictator himself going to perform this procedure on every newborn? Who will run the hospitals and stamp all the barcodes? Lunacy...

Not so well thought out, huh?

Also these conspiracists do not see that not all countries are aggressive and warlike.. especially democracies...

The Japanese in WW2 told the masses of Japanese citizens that America planned to completely obliterate their race when we invaded...

Had they not told them this the masses would not have as likely even picked up arms... The Japanese attacked us first...

Conspiracists are blind to their enemies. (not implying that the Japanese are our enemies today, why? Maybe because of "real" democracy?) These conspiracists think that all enemies are the government. This is equally as dangerous as secret societies. Because it only leaves us completely vulnerable to attack.

I don't go along with this theory completely but I do not deny it may have existed...

Yet I think a more democratic new world order will emerge and this scare tactic get rich quick delusion of the conspiracists will never come to be...

Also I do not think that curbing population is such a bad thing and it does not have to be done with murder and wars it can be done with virtuous fair laws and rules of conduct if need be..

We are overtaxing this earth... These conspiracies are fanatical yet they may have much truth in them but they are missing the biggest part. It will never happen.

If there will not be a middle class then who will be the military protecting this precious bloodline? Can a few princes and princesses control billions of people? It has never worked successfully in the past for long and anyone would be insane to think it could happen again and work...

The people just rise up and decapitate the royalty one way or another.

Even with Saddam many attempts had been made on his life he lived in absolute fear of assassination... every dictator does.

Also you cannot sedate billions of people without a factory with middle class workers producing the drugs...

Do they really think they can sedate billions of people on a conspiracy and fake religion alone?

How many chemical biologists believe in the God baal? Who will be the teller at the world bank? Who will work at the food processing plant that sends out billions of dinners a day to feed billions of drones?

Holes holes holes...

When societies find out that their leaders worship the devil they simply kill them..

More pages could be written to tear down this conspiracy than validate it...

But, it is definitely worth the discussion.

I will be posting more about this...
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Lightwizard
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 12:38 pm
The "secret" societies cannot truly remain secret when trying to raise money on the Internet. They operate like a pyramid scheme -- new recruits are asked to give money which filters up to the top. They have never been able to keep the corruptive aspects of money out of their organizations. The most obvious pyramid scheme is the "self-help religion" Scientology. I had personally met L. Ron Hubbard several times in the 50's and 60's when I was very active in sci-fi fandom, being the art director of several conventions including the World Sci-Fi Convention. He was a nut case and I never could figure out why a bad pulp fiction writer who couldn't get his work published in the then named Astounding Science Fiction (not Analog) was embraced by that magazine's editor John W. Campbell, Jr. (whose most famous work of fiction was "Who Goes There?" which was made into two movies entitled "The Thing.") At first, Dianetics and Scientology was very stealthy until they decided to apply to the government as an exempt religious organization. Before that they were financially very insecure. L. Ron Hubbard pocketed all the royalties from the book (well, duh).
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RexRed
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2006 12:56 pm
Let's touch on the story of Nimrod...

This is the way I have learned the story, I know it in depth more than most probably, I have devoted much time to study and thought about it. My father was a master Mason yet I did not learn this story from him (most of his books were written in code anyway).. Even with his rank he was not privy to this knowledge I am about to share. Most people are not privy because they are directly or indirectly part of these secretive societies and even at the core they will never probably learn this...

The only place where this is taught is in the Bible. Yet we are so barraged by these societies and their symbology and thought conscious systems (even today's christianity) that it is very difficult to grasp rather vastly opposing views on the most simplistic levels let alone the deeper spiritual matters.

So we are unconsciously taught the opposite thought on simplistic matters. We never see the subtlety of them so we accept them... Most people don't see their own duty to find truth, they think this is only for ministers, clergy or priests... This is one of the first things people take at face value... They leave spirituality to someone else or others more "qualified" and then simply feed off of them rather than go to the same source themselves...

One must begin this story of the "societies" and their secret worship back to Noah.

Most people only trace this story back to Solomon because Solomon was a master mason. But in order to understand the story one MUST go back farther to Noah.

Historians or people posing as them have indoctrinated the world into believing that Sumer in Mesopotamia was older than Noah... Yet how can that be so when the Bible tells us that Noah's sons founded Babylon...
At least historians should have made mention of that yet they absolutely deny it. This denial is part of this mystery system in motion.

Now the Mesopotamian city of Sumer is the earliest "religion" that these conspiracies go back to. I have never heard of a religious reference to a conspiracy earlier than the pre Babylonian period (assuming Babylon is older than Egypt etc...)

Yet we do have books that date back earlier but the conscious world is in denial of these religions because they have been told that Sumer is earlier than Noah and the Adam and Eve story like a mantra... so this has become fact in the conscious reality of the world. Nothing can be understood prior without reversing this fact. As long as this remains fact, there is a secret.

The common Joe and Jane do not understand the wealth of religion that dates to this time...

So the conspiracists and the secret societies are both in the dark about this period.

I will be back with more... think this over and reply if you have comments or questions.
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