Obama '08?

@okie,

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All you have to do is do a simple computer search and you will find them. mysteryman has already proven it and provided you with a link, showing haylofts in barns.

No, he didn't. He provided a horse barn with living quarters above it.

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@okie,

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I do know it is no lie that the family had a son that got caught in the baler, so don't try to manufacture some reason why it can't happen, parados. And if your parents had you out there baling hay before the age of 12, I think it was pretty irresponsible. Farmers I grew up with had their kids working, but they weren't stupid.

I didn't manufacture reasons why it couldn't happen okie. I only pointed that your manufactured reasons how it happened weren't likely. What you think is irresponsible is immaterial okie. I am only pointing out that MOST farm kids in my area did that. Most of them didn't die from doing it. In fact I can't think of anyone that died from a baler. Being run over by a tractor happened on more than one occasion but never killed by a baler.

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And for you to assert that a cowbarn cannot be used for horses, or a horsebarn not used for cows, is utter nonsense. My grandfather built the barn on our farm, and he had horses in it, but we used it later for cows as well. It had a hayloft in it.

You weren't a working dairy farm okie. I pointed that out to you. Working dairy farms do NOT put 4 cows in a horse barn. It makes no money for them. They put 100 cows in a COW barn. A barn that if it was built in the last 30 years would have no second story. Your grandfather didn't build the barn in the last 30 years. You don't seem to understand a simple statement okie.

I said, no cow barn built in the last 30 years would have a second story.
You argue that I am wrong because HORSE barns can be built with a second story.
You also argue I am wrong because you grandfather built a barn 75 years ago with a second story.
I can only assume you are a complete idiot okie because you don't understand the difference between cows and horses nor do you understand a working COW barn is NOT a horse barn, nor do you understand that your grandfather didn't build a barn in the last 30 years.

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@okie,

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Granted, there are a few liberals that were farm kids, but that has not been the general impression or experience that I have had, parados.

So does that mean you are going to apologize for saying you don't believe I grew up on a farm because I am a liberal? Or does it only mean you are still going to act like an idiot?

I'm guessing the second.

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@okie,

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Silly statement, parados. Baling hay is not the only work to be done on a farm. Probably 90% of the work I did was drive tractor from morning to night, either plowing, cultivating, springtoothing, or drilling (planting) wheat and other crops. And in those days, we did not have airconditioned cabs on the tractors.

How much cultivating did you do in your wheat fields okie?
Rolling Eyes

I wonder how hot it really got when you were plowing, drilling, springtoothing okie. You certainly wouldn't be doing that in the middle of summer. If you planted wheat and were driving from morning to night in the middle of June, you weren't doing much more than wasting gas okie.

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@parados,

Move the farming stuff to this thread okie so we aren't clogging up this one.

http://able2know.org/topic/164098-1

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@parados,

Which contradicts your claim that there were no barns with second floors on them, or two stories.
You claimed that they werent built that way, I showed that some barns were.

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@mysteryman,

I did say it, it was a figure of speech. I meant back to the days before unions and government legislation which dealt with fair wages and safety issues in the work place.

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It breaks down like this:

Obama uses tax payer money to buy General Motors and Obama Motors is born. Obama Motors uses tax payer
monies to re-pay their bail out loan and now Obama Motors wants taxpayers to buy shares of our own company.

Obama democrats must think American tax payers are complete idiots.

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@mysteryman,

Except we were talking cow barns MM. Your jumping into the middle of the conversation doesn't change that fact which had been established earlier.

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@H2O MAN,

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Obama democrats must think American tax payers are complete idiots.

Obviously you ARE an idiot squirt.

When people buy the shares, they get dividends which you won't as a taxpayer. When people buy the shares they are buying from the current owners who get the money in exchange for selling their stake in ownership.

Do you want the government to continue to own GM? If not then shares MUST be sold to the public. It's how ownership in a corporation is transferred.

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@parados,

It's clear that parakeet is a confused Obama democrat.

The government does not own Obama Motors - THE TAXPAYERS OWN IT.

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@H2O MAN,

Do you own GM then?
If you own GM why don't you want to sell it?

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@parados,

Poor pitiful parakeet doesn't get it.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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All you have to do is do a simple computer search and you will find them. mysteryman has already proven it and provided you with a link, showing haylofts in barns.
No, he didn't. He provided a horse barn with living quarters above it.

If you knew farmers, parados, I think you would know that farmers did not forever dedicate a barn only for horses or only for cows. Barns were interchangeable, to fit the needs of the particular farm or farmer.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Granted, there are a few liberals that were farm kids, but that has not been the general impression or experience that I have had, parados.
So does that mean you are going to apologize for saying you don't believe I grew up on a farm because I am a liberal? Or does it only mean you are still going to act like an idiot?
I'm guessing the second.

Who is acting like an idiot here? I think this debate has gone from Obama to parados's credibility as one of Obama's principal apologists on this forum.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Silly statement, parados. Baling hay is not the only work to be done on a farm. Probably 90% of the work I did was drive tractor from morning to night, either plowing, cultivating, springtoothing, or drilling (planting) wheat and other crops. And in those days, we did not have airconditioned cabs on the tractors.
How much cultivating did you do in your wheat fields okie?

I wonder how hot it really got when you were plowing, drilling, springtoothing okie. You certainly wouldn't be doing that in the middle of summer. If you planted wheat and were driving from morning to night in the middle of June, you weren't doing much more than wasting gas okie.

We called them cultivators, but some may have called them chisels, which were used to simply take the weeds out after a field was plowed, and before final prep for planting wheat in the fall.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

I wonder how hot it really got when you were plowing, drilling, springtoothing okie. You certainly wouldn't be doing that in the middle of summer. If you planted wheat and were driving from morning to night in the middle of June, you weren't doing much more than wasting gas okie.

That was in the middle of the summer. If you raised wheat, you would know that. You make many claims here, parados, about haylofts, milking cows from the age of 7, now this among other things.
You would also know, I hope, that farming methods have changed somewhat, with some farmers going to something called "no till."

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Move the farming stuff to this thread okie so we aren't clogging up this one.
http://able2know.org/topic/164098-1

I agree it is clogging this one up, so I will talk to you there about farming. If anyone else cares, you can find parados there with his evident new mission of trying to manufacture some case that I (okie) know nothing about farms and that I did not grow up on a farm.

We are supposed to now accept the idea that parados now claims he grew up on a farm in Eastern South Dakota, that he milked cows from the age of 7 until he was 16, that he drove tractors and balers before the age of 10, and that nobody, thats nobody, builds a cowbarn anymore with a hayloft in it. He also claims that I only spent 2 weeks on a farm when I was a teenager. These and more claims by parados can be found on the farming thread now.

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Parakeet, Spread your little wings and fly away. Fly away far away.

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@parados,

OK, then you are still wrong.
Here is a 2 story Dairy barn...

http://www.dairyrealty.com/1451/Mineral-Point-WI-Dairy-Farm

Lets look at the barn description...

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Dairy Barn
The Dairy Barn Is A Two (2) Story Hip Roof Barn With West End Metal Siding (Some Wood Vertical Board Siding), Shingled Roof With Basement Stall Area (56 Tie-Stalls) And Attached West End Lean With Milkhouse 12x14 With Glass Board Interior. There Is Also A 16x74 Attached Lean With Silo Room And Small Manure Holding Pit That Holds Approximately One (1) Weeks Manure Capacity.

So, that shoots down your claim that there are no 2 story dairy barns.

And here is a link to an Ohio State page about how to put a chimney in any type of 2 story barn, from horse barn to dairy barn to cattle barn...

http://ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0115.html

Why would Ohio State do that if there were no 2 story cow barns?

So, again you were wrong.
Why not be man enough to admit you made a mistake, instead of denying it.

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