cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 03:35 pm
@MASSAGAT,
I don't find that strange at all; many don't like to blow their own horns when they have achieved in scholastics or most other things in life.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 03:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

many don't like to blow their own horns when they have achieved in scholastics or most other things in life.


Obama is the guy that blows his own horn whenever he can.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 03:39 pm
@MASSAGAT,
I noticed that some people don't appreciate your opinions about Obama, but I don't reserve my criticisms for only republicans.

I also agree that Obama's approval ratings have been dropping, and I don't see any surprises as to the reasons why.

His actions are not the ones he promised during his campaign, and some of them are real zingers.

When Obama talked about transparency, I believed him.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 03:57 pm
@MASSAGAT,
I'm not sure why you're directing your heat at me! My positive remarks about Obama's scholastic record mirrors your's. Not the same words, the the meaning is the same.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 04:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:



When Obama talked about transparency, I believed him.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MjdtULzbIHQ/STWj9VDNnYI/AAAAAAAABc0/6qJDKJyLdUg/s320/SUCKA+Drank+the+kool+aid+didnt+ya.jpg

Sorry ci, I couldn't resit Laughing
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 04:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
When Obama talked about transparency, I believed him


And why wouldn't you have believed him, and what's the problem, exactly?

Guess you haven't been keeping up with the news -

Quote:
On Tuesday, the Obama administration acts on a promise the president made on his first day in office -- to make government agencies more transparent, participatory and collaborative.

The Open Government Directive will make an Open Government memo released in May operational by directing agencies to take specific actions implementing those principles. It was announced in a live online chat with Chief Information Officer Vivek Kundra and Chief Technology Officer Aneesh Chopra. Kopra solicited public comment on the directive through the White House Open Government Initiative.


Some features -

Quote:
• Requires federal agencies to make a minimum of three "high-value" data sets available within 45 days. An example, they said, was data that was released on Data.gov earlier this year by the Federal Aviation Administration about the on-time performance of commercial airline flights, and which was subsequently used by a member of the public to create Flyontime.us.

• Directs that within 60 days, the White House will launch a dashboard on Whitehouse.gov that will be used to hold each agency accountable for the contents of the directive.

• Commits each federal agency to launching its own open government Web site.

• Says that within 90 days, agencies will receive guidance from the federal Office of Management and Budget about creating challenges and contests for how best to use publicly available data.

• And mandates that within 120 days, each agency will create an open government plan geared towards ensuring that the philosophies of openness, transparency, and collaboration are permanently "hardwired."


Obama has done more for transparency at this point than any modern president, period. I have no idea who you are comparing him against when you are making these criticisms.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 04:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Obama has done more for transparency at this point than any modern president, period.


Yes, Obama has done more to eliminate transparency than any modern president, period.


It is obvious that Cyclotroll not only drinks Obama's Kool-Aid, he bathes in it.
Gargamel
 
  3  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 04:27 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
Yes, Obama has done more to eliminate transparency than any modern president, period.


You also said McCain had a huge lead the night before the election. You've also said Palin is going to be the next President.

Why should anyone believe anything you say not related to water softeners?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 05:37 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't compare Obama to anybody else; he's the one who promised transparency during his campaign. There's been numerous reports that have exposed the lies.

I don't expect Obama to share nuclear weapons or defense secrets, but there are areas where we can expect transparency when he said his administration will provide it.

This is from a conservative blog, but it looks like what I remember reading in credible media. I'd like to see those who don't agree to prove these claims are wrong - with credible evidence.

Quote:
Obama is a liar. Obama lied about transparency. Obama lied about letting us see bills. Obama lied and lied……….

Published by csc5502 at 10:10 am under Current Events, Politics Edit This

Obama lied about every government reform he promised us.

Among other things, Obama promised “transparency” and an end to secrecy. He promised to allow us five days online to look at any bill before he signs it. He said “[t]oo often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them[.]“ He said meetings where laws are written would be more open.

Point by point, let’s go over these promises.

Obama signed the SCHIP bill three hours after Congress passed it. What happened to five days? And now the aka “stimulus package.” is set to be signed after being online for less than two days.

Five day online viewing period for bills? Lie.

Obama promised us transparency in meetings where laws are written, yet the Democrat House and Senate conferees met in the dead of night, with Republican conferees not even notified. The House voted unanimously to let the public view the latest government power trip for at least 48 hours prior to passage, and House Democrats promptly broke that pledge. Granted, Obama doesn’t control Congress, but it didn’t stop him from making the promise, did it?

Open meetings and transparency? Lie.

Obama promised us no more pork or earmarks.

No more pork, no more earmarks? Lie.

Obama promised us an end to “too much secrecy in Washington.” Members in the House were being asked to pledge their votes on the Democrat Party Political Payoff bill before it was even printed and then in spite of the fact that members had never read it.

An end to “too much secrecy in Washington[?]” Lie.

Obama promised us no lobbyists. We all know he’s appointed multiple lobbyists.

No lobbyists in Obama’s administration? Lie.

Obama promised the strictest ethics of any administration. He then nominated and supported multiple tax cheats, among other candidates with “issues” or who made “honest mistakes,” such as Bill Richardson.


I'll wait for you evidence.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You didn't read my post before -

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1514#post-3840717

I don't know what fever swamp you got this from, but it's full of bullshit. It's not my job to knock down lies that right-wingers tell about Obama, and if you choose to believe this stuff rather than look at the actual situation, that makes me sad - but isn't my responsibility to counter.

Please remember that Obama has no ability to force the House and Senate to do anything at all. If they want to shut Republicans and cameras out of their negotiations, there's little he can do about it...

I mean, c'mon - from this idiotic piece you posted -

Quote:
Obama promised us no more pork or earmarks.

No more pork, no more earmarks? Lie.


Obama never promised an end to pork or earmarks - McCain did. It's not my fault that these wingnuts can't keep their facts straight.

It takes time to make major changes on the governmental level, especially when you are requiring the units who are forced to change to put out several other work products simultaneously. Have a little patience instead of throwing your lot in with the group who hates Obama implicitly.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:09 pm
Quote:
"Death Tax" Vote Highlights
...
Last week, the House of Representatives voted in favor of the inaccurately titled "Estate Tax Relief Act" (H.R. 4154) by a margin of 225 to 200. Now, the bill moves to the Senate, where a majority of Senators have openly opposed the legislation.

While the bill claims to enact permanent estate tax relief, the legislation puts in place a permanent 45 percent tax on estates over $3.5 million (yes this could easily be you when you factor in property, retirement, insurance, and all other assets). A 45 percent tax is a dramatic tax increase over the zero percent death tax that will be in place in 2010, when death will no longer be a taxable event. As you may know, the 45 percent death tax rate is set to temporarily expire in 2010 for a period of just one year.

Unless Congress actually abolishes the death tax permanently, the federal estate tax rate will skyrocket back up to the 55% rate which was in effect in 2001.

While we are disappointed with the final outcome of the vote, we are encouraged by several trends.
• 26 Democrats voted against final passage. The Democrat caucus is divided on the future of the estate tax, which is good news for those of us who just want it to die.
• 18 Democrats voted for an amendment to extend the 2010 repeal through 2011. We were encouraged that this amendment received a vote and that eighteen Democrats went public in support of it.
• Not a single Republican voted for the bill.

The Death Tax battle will now move to the Senate, where we have much more support. Even if the Senate can hold all Democrats and Independents in line, there is still a majority that opposes a 45% permanent estate tax.

It's a long way from over! We will keep you posted!

Herman Cain - Head Coach
MASSAGAT
 
  0  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:14 pm
Cyclops is egregiously mistaken. Even a left wing TV personality has charged that Obama has not been transparent with his policies as he promised:

Note:

A BUZZFLASH DISCUSSION
by Chad Rubel

Jon Stewart says people don't get the news from "The Daily Show," but he proved once again late last week that the show is keeping an eye on the issues the MSM ignores. No, it wasn't Mark Sanford or Iran or Mark Sanford (how about that Mark Sanford?).

Stewart devoted a whole segment on Thursday to some guy named Barack Obama, and how his promises of transparency haven't been, well, transparent.

Some of the video highlights were scattered among the several months Obama has been in office. Not releasing CIA interrogation tapes. Not having Web sites to track the stimulus up and running. Not wanting to release record about missing Bush Administration e-mails. And the favorite, not releasing logs of who visits the White House.

end of quote

I do not expect that Cyclops will respond to this since he is deathly afraid of my postings. When I jammed his idiocy concerning cost of living down his throat, he decided that he was outclassed and said, in effect, I am taking my ball and bat and going home. I am not going to play with meanies like you.

Cyclops is allegedly working at or near Berkeley. I am concerned. I did not know that Berkeley admitted "scholars" with IQ's in the 105-100 range who do not have the ability to respond to intellectual challenges.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:14 pm
@ican711nm,
The 'death tax' is just a scare title that Republicans decided to put on one of the longest-standing taxes our country has - one which harms nobody at all.

Quote:
A 45 percent tax is a dramatic tax increase over the zero percent death tax that will be in place in 2010, when death will no longer be a taxable event. As you may know, the 45 percent death tax rate is set to temporarily expire in 2010 for a period of just one year.


This was done by Bush's group on behalf of the 25 richest families in America, who will collectively save hundreds of millions in taxes thanks to the 2010 exemption. It's not going to happen, however; because Congress will never vote to get rid of this tax, one which raises tons of capital and harms nobody at all.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:18 pm
@Gargamel,
Gargamel wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
Yes, Obama has done more to eliminate transparency than any modern president, period.


You also said McCain had a huge lead the night before the election.



We would be better off today if I was correct on that one.
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MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:18 pm
But perhaps President Obama is not being transparent because he has little or no respect for our form of government. When one reads his writings, suspicions arise.
Note what the former Chicago Community Organizer(who, as many know, worked for the organization started by the far left wing Saul Alinsky) wrote as an undergraduate:

October 21st, 2009 6:46 pm

Obama and the Constitution; He Has His Doubts(Update: Please read The Obama “thesis” hoax.)

I missed this first time around. Brian Lancaster at Jumping in Pools reported on Obama’s college thesis, written when he was at Columbia. The paper was called “Aristocracy Reborn,” and in the first ten pages (which were all that reporter Joe Klein"who wrote about it for Time"was permitted to see), the young Obama wrote:

“… the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.”

That’s quite an indictment, even for an Ivy League undergraduate. I wonder if the prof"and I’d like to know who the prof was"made an appropriate marginal comment, something about historical context, about the Constitution’s revolutionary status in the history of freedom, and about the separation of powers in order to make the creation of any “shackles” as difficult as possible.

Maybe instead of fuming about words that Rush Limbaugh never uttered, the paladins of the free press might ask the president about words that he did write. Maybe he’d like to parse “the so-called Founders,” for example. I’d like to know what he thinks of those words today. And what about the rest of the thesis?
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

The 'death tax' is just a scare title that Republicans decided to put on one of the longest-standing taxes our country has - one which harms nobody at all.


Wrong.
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MASSAGAT
 
  -2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:23 pm
Cyclops apparently does not know Lawrence Summers' role in the Obama Administration. Cyclops knows NOTHING about the intracacies of the "death tax" and less than nothing about the effects of such a tax. Lawrence Summers knows.

Note:

Night of the Living Death Tax
Lawrence Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, declared recently that "Let's be very clear: There are no, no tax increases this year. There are no, no tax increases next year." Oh yes, yes, there are. The President's budget calls for the largest increase in the death tax in U.S. history in 2010.

The announcement of this tax increase is buried in footnote 1 on page 127 of the President's budget. That note reads: "The estate tax is maintained at its 2009 parameters." This means the death tax won't fall to zero next year as scheduled under current law, but estates will be taxed instead at up to 45%, with an exemption level of $3.5 million (or $7 million for a couple). Better not plan on dying next year after all.

This controversy dates back to George W. Bush's first tax cut in 2001 that phased down the estate tax from 55% to 45% this year and then to zero next year. Although that 10-year tax law was to expire in 2011, meaning that the death tax rate would go all the way back to 55%, the political expectation was that once the estate tax was gone for even one year, it would never return.

And that is no doubt why the Obama Administration wants to make sure it never hits zero. It doesn't seem to matter that the vast majority of the money in an estate was already taxed when the money was earned. Liberals counter that the estate tax is "fair" because it is only paid by the richest 2% of American families. This ignores that much of the long-term saving and small business investment in America is motivated by the ability to pass on wealth to the next generation.

The importance of intergenerational wealth transfers was first measured in a National Bureau of Economic Research study in 1980. That study looked at wealth and savings over the first three-quarters of the 20th century and found that "intergenerational transfers account for the vast majority of aggregate U.S. capital formation." The co-author of that study was . . . Lawrence Summers.

LET'S HIGHLIGHT THAT-

SUMMERS SAID THAT 'INTERGENERATIONAL TRANSFERS ACCOUNT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF AGGREGATE CAPITAL FORMATION.

*****
Cyclops apparently does not know what "capital formation" means and what it does.

Hint-Without it, you do not have more jobs being created.

But maybe President Obama thinks that ACORN can create jobs--some have alluded to the paucity of street walkers and pimps.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:26 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo wrote:
Quote:

It takes time to make major changes on the governmental level, especially when you are requiring the units who are forced to change to put out several other work products simultaneously. Have a little patience instead of throwing your lot in with the group who hates Obama implicitly.


Okay, I can agree with that! Whatever happened to the transparency that will allow us to know when he's really working towards cutting those wastes? When he pushes through legislation without letting the public know what it's all about, that doesn't comport to his promises about transparency. The stim bill had so much waste in them, it was a hide-and-seek bill that was pushed through without any public input.

spendius
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Public input is the very last thing we need ci. It's the route to anarchy.
MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2009 06:30 pm
When the Bush Administration said that the "surge" would take time, lefties like Cyclops jeered. Obama has made more mistakes in his first eleven months than almost any other President, excluding, of course, the clueless Jimmy Carter. Proof? The Gallup Poll showing that Obama's Job Approval Rating is now down to just below 50%.
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