Is being gay a choice?

I will be when my head stops spinning -- this is the normal setting?

ROFL! LightWizard, I would say for your condition (cold, etc.) that you are on a perfectly normal setting.

I just called the gallery director (also gay and we also have a gay merchandiser -- we are really sappy happy there!) to tell him I'd be late 'cause I got a doctor's appointment at 1:10PM. Oh, my gawd, we're chatting! This must be the spin cycle.

Extra spin, LightWizard. Extra spin.

I'm dizzy enough as it is -- now I feel like on the Mad Hatter's Teacup Ride at Disneyland (which, incidentally, is only fifteen minuts from my house --I should just call in sick and go to Disneyland).

Tell me about it. I remember conversations of homosexuals. One of the earliest jokes were the children asking me "are you a homosexual"? (This was before I knew what homosexual meant and I'm sure they probably thought very few people in my class meant).

The joke, of course, was to trick the person on the receiving answer of the question to say, "Yes". This would include asking the question, "are you a heterosexual?" and making you doubt whether Yes was the "correct" answer that would help you avoid being ridiculed or laughed at.

I also remember the discussion of marking. (All these instances were definitely before I was 11 and funnily enoug happened in a very old-fashioned school that still had Scripture classes). It was some bizarre discussion where somebody claimed that homosexuals mark their partners with a yellow urine mark on the other's penis. I think it was intended to make you go, "Ew, homosexuals are gross".

Then of course, I remember being pretend raped by one of peers. Just in case you don't know what a pretend rape is, he spun me around, pressed me against the wall and pretended to have sex with me with no erection and no removal of clothes. It was whilst we were changing into overalls before going out to what we call Break, but Americans call, Recess (we were meant to put on boots and overalls over our uniforms before going out to play). So in essence I had three layers of clothing on, as did he.

To this day, I still have no idea what it was all about. Maybe he was mocking homosexuals or something. Oh well. It bit him in the rear in the end. Before I left the school for another because of unrelated bullying, he was vehemently denying he was gay, which made me wonder why pretend to be gay in the first place if you're not gay and don't want to be thought of as gay?

Now where was I? Oh yes. Peer pressure is definitely a major factor, along with bigoted parents, bigoted religious people etc. etc. In other words, social pressures.

My nephew told me that peer pressure works in strange ways when he was in school (long after I was)! He said that it had become "stylish" to be gay and that some were actually acting out being gay when they, in reality, gay! It was serious, not joking around or making fun.

What? The Wiz is gay?!!!!!!

If ever a wizard a wiz there was!

Omg. ok sorry, i think i might leave this forum now. its pretty obvious that gays are easilly offended.
But this is the philsosophy and debate forum.
this is what most people do here.

obviously realise that the fact that wives cheating is wrong, and should not be equated to homosexuality in that sense- but what i meant was that its a choice. you cant help the feeling but you can help the action.

why am i such a topic of conversation.
maybe a bit like kyle minougue is such a gay icon. or maybe it is because i have the name queen in my title. hmmm. no need for all this discussion though.
and no im not in emotional turmoil anymore. thanx.
ok will leave now.

oh and:
the f*** you was an aimless impersonal comment simply meant to cause a little offence. i dont think this measures up with the fact you are trying to emply im stupid. because im not thanx.

Someone just pointed out that this is the Debate forum, and ive noticed that there are three gays here, so this should be good.

Wizard, Ill explain to you again why homosexuality is a disorder:
Gays want to screw men. A men screwing another man does not produce ofspring - which is the 'object of the exercise'. Therefore reproductive ability (which is part of being 'healthy) is not possible.
A gay does not choose this, so it must be a fault in himself - a disorder.

This (disorder) is not a convenient label I am using, but has been thought through and 'the boot fits'. As a disorder, it is also treatable, and gays have been cured and gone on to marry and have children.


Dont leave pentacle queen, im going to need backup.

Ummm....I think the already over populated world can live without a need for more off spring, don't you think?

RaceDriver205 - So would you suggest that heterosexual couples who don't want children have a disorder?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe homosexuality was nature's way of controlling the overexpansion of the species?

Very good point, Phoenix!

There are already millions of unwanted and starving children in the world, so why bring more.
Since a lot of gay folks can't have children of their own, many adopt children who need a place to call home.

Sounds like a good thing to me!

Well, aside from the fact that the American Psychological Association agrees that homosexuality is not a disorder and not a mental disorder either, let us look at your little justifcation for calling my sexuality a disorder.

One, does this mean an asexual is disordered? An asexual has no sexual attraction to any gender whatsoever. Is that a disorder?

Furthermore, perhaps the object of sex itself is to reproduce, but the aim of a human being is not necessarily to reproduce. The life goals of a human being are to ensure the propogation of a). their DNA or b). the species. Human beings can do this perfectly well without having to have sex, because:

1. If your relatives are procreating, they can pass on copies of some of your DNA (or all) to the next generation. Therefore, if you help them raise their offspring, you are investing in the survival of your DNA.

2. Those people who adopt are investing in the survival of their species. This is in itself a good thing, because though their adopted child may not have the same DNA, someone out there may have at least one copy of the same DNA.



The APA, experts on this matter, disagree. There are no real studies to show that homosexuality is treated. In many cases, homosexuality is repressed, not treated, in other cases, the homosexuality as merely a phase.

Sexuality also lies within a gradient and those who go on to marry may have heterosexual tendencies as well as homosexual.

There is no cure for homosexuality, because evidence suggests that homosexuality exists on a genetic level. It may not be an actual gene for homosexuality, but may be the expression of a gene or activation or deactivation of a gene through external stimuli.

http://www.apa.org/topics/sbehaviorsub1.html

And yes, disorder is a very poor choice of words. It's like you're saying we're diseased and need to be cured.

Very well said, Wolf.

Yes, Wolf -- words right out of my mouth. Those who still believe the religious propaganda that they are "changing" gay men into heterosexual men are not just in denial, they have a lack of empathy that is astounding. Gay men who "believe" they are now straight but have actually been brainwashed by religious programs are marrying (or not) but where's the actual tracking of what happens to them? Very paltry statistics exist with isolated examples of success tantamount to the "success" stories of those who get suckered into pyramid scheme marketing. Dare I say these organizations are dishonest? I submit that this is playing with fire -- the sexual attraction cannot be supplanted and I've run into this many, many times in my lifetime.

Apparently some have decided with nimble fingers to waltz back to Yahoo! chat where they can show off their garbled grammar and be with their own kind.

Funnily enough, there are some who think they can change straight men into becoming gay. It just goes to show you there's always someone on the other side of the spectrum.

When did hair and eye colour become disorders?

Back in the 1930s during Nazi Germany. Don't worry, that fad died out with the Nazis... or at least, partially died out. There's still those out there who believe that anything that isn't a blonde-eyed, blue-haired Aryan is inferior, I'm afraid.