Is being gay a choice?

Well, Wolf, don't we both know you can't change a straight man into becoming gay if he wasn't gay in the first place? After all, what is "in the closet?" Jerry Seinfeld covered it in a stand-up routine which found it's way into a prologue to one of the "Seinfeld" shows where he, comically, was admitted that he is too easily sold something and that he would be afraid of running across a gay man who was just simply such a good salesman that he'd end up going over that line. Of course, this happens, but does it make the experimental straight man gay? Maybe not, but maybe he was in the closet and in denial.

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You're right, ehBeth. They are confusing any individual's genetic traits which makes us all different from one another with a "disorder." Actually, it's because, in their own personal egotism, they didn't order it. If this person was obese, he wouldn't recognize that that is actually a disorder -- something that actually can be corrected. Religous people have a problem with meddling -- they want to be the director of what is going on in the stage. It frustrates and often angers them that not everything on the stage is going according to their direction. What they need is not more religious propaganda but cognitive therepy.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Well, Wolf, don't we both know you can't change a straight man into becoming gay if he wasn't gay in the first place? After all, what is "in the closet?" Jerry Seinfeld covered it in a stand-up routine which found it's way into a prologue to one of the "Seinfeld" shows where he, comically, was admitted that he is too easily sold something and that he would be afraid of running across a gay man who was just simply such a good salesman that he'd end up going over that line. Of course, this happens, but does it make the experimental straight man gay? Maybe not, but maybe he was in the closet and in denial.

Or maybe he was bisexual with major leanings towards heterosexuality and a minor tendency towards homosexuality that was suppressed through societal pressures.

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The jury is really out on bisexuality. I'm not sure that some of those individuals aren't experiencing a kind of short circuit in their sexuality. I have had experiences with bi-sexuals and some of them were gay but forcing themselves to indulge in heterosexual acts to try and prove something to themselves or please others around them -- family and friends. Some of them were comfortable with themselves in simply having no sexual hang-ups in expressing feelings toward another person through a sexual act. Could part of it be sour grapes? Those who cloak themselves in the religious bigotry towards homosexuality are really secretly envious that someone out there is having enjoyable sex and they aren't getting any?

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Lightwizard wrote:

Could part of it be sour grapes? Those who cloak themselves in the religious bigotry towards homosexuality are really secretly envious that someone out there is having enjoyable sex and they aren't getting any?

Can't be. I'm envious of people out there having enjoyable sex. I'm not getting any. Heck, I haven't even had a boyfriend/girlfriend/kiss. Yet I'm not a homophobe or a heterophobe.

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That was a bit of a facetious dig, Wolf. I should have added a smiley. I know many minds work in a conception of some sort of quota for sex. The answer is, it's either going to happen or it's not, at least with another person. It can happen anytime with good hand to eye coordination and some visuals, either real or imagined. There might be enough energy coming out of sexual frustration on this planet to start a new universe, don't you think?

That really would be "the Big Bang."

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If the term, "disorder", is inappropriate regarding homosexuality (and it clearly is), then the term, "cure", is equally inappropriate.

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It certainly is!

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Lightwizard wrote:
Could part of it be sour grapes? Those who cloak themselves in the religious bigotry towards homosexuality are really secretly envious that someone out there is having enjoyable sex and they aren't getting any?

Can't be. I'm envious of people out there having enjoyable sex. I'm not getting any. Heck, I haven't even had a boyfriend/girlfriend/kiss. Yet I'm not a homophobe or a heterophobe.

Hum.
If you haven't had a sexual experience, how can you be absolutely sure of your sexual orientation?

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Doktor S wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
Could part of it be sour grapes? Those who cloak themselves in the religious bigotry towards homosexuality are really secretly envious that someone out there is having enjoyable sex and they aren't getting any?

Can't be. I'm envious of people out there having enjoyable sex. I'm not getting any. Heck, I haven't even had a boyfriend/girlfriend/kiss. Yet I'm not a homophobe or a heterophobe.

Hum.
If you haven't had a sexual experience, how can you be absolutely sure of your sexual orientation?

For some reason this kind of question always puts me off, sexual attraction doesn't depend on sexual interaction, it's the other way around. People, for the most part, take part in sexual acts *because* they're attracted to a person, they don't become attracted to others by having sex with them. So basically you can be attracted to a certain sex and never had sex yourself. It makes sense doesn't it?

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Doktor S wrote:

Hum.
If you haven't had a sexual experience, how can you be absolutely sure of your sexual orientation?

What? Are you saying I'm a closet heterosexual who thinks he's a closet homosexual? Or are you saying I'm a closet bisexual? Laughing

Simplistic answer: Guys turn me on. Females do not. If you give me porn, I would vastly prefer and enjoy the stuff with solely guys in it. Given a choice between male and female, I would prefer a guy.

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Hum.
If you haven't had a sexual experience, how can you be absolutely sure of your sexual orientation?

Doctor S.- I don't know about you, but I can remember being attracted to boys when I was in the 1st grade, where sex was not even an issue yet.
You don't have to have sex, for a person to know to whom he is attracted!!!

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Exactly! I remember being attracted to boys as far back as I can remember ;-)

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I am not really astonished about how ignorant and naive some are on this forum about sex. They are demonstrating a closed mind which makes them seem like frustrated prudes. The cart has now been placed firmly behind the horse.

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Lightwizard, I love your avatar. For some reason it always gives whatever you say a humourous undertone, for me anyways. It's bizzare. :wink:

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Sully, the empathetic monster (!), and me have a lot in common. I know when I do seem to be scary, it helps not to take it too seriously.

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I can relate.

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Eryemil, your logic is impeccable. I once asked a gay guy if he ever had sex with a woman. He answered "Heavens no; why should I?" It works both ways.

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racedriver, ok i will not leave. but i am sorry that i cannot back you up.
i DO NOT see being gay as a disorder, i have nothing against being gay, and have never ruled out the possibilty i may be bisexual.
however, i am increasingly becomming annoyed with lightwizard, who seems to have the attitude that being gay is some poor understood minority, and there needs to be a constant fight against peoples choice of words and examples in case an opinion is passed which is slightly damaging or offensive.

i appreciate you want liberation, but i really do not feel there is such a need for this bullheaded attitude.

and you make it sound as if being naieve about sex is a sin in itself. cant you accept there are people with different experiences and attitudes different to your own. some may be prudish about sex- its just different to you. some people dont like it shoved in their face.

having said that, will say i like anything shoved in my face Wink

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

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Hum.
If you haven't had a sexual experience, how can you be absolutely sure of your sexual orientation?

Doctor S.- I don't know about you, but I can remember being attracted to boys when I was in the 1st grade, where sex was not even an issue yet.
You don't have to have sex, for a person to know to whom he is attracted!!!

Sure sure, but can you be sure that wasn't a result of external influence, rather than internal drive? We do a lot of things because we feel we are supposed to, and I see no reason why that couldn't extend as deep as to influence preference. In fact, that you felt 'attracted' before your hormones would have been telling you to sort of supports this.
I used to think it would be really cool to be in an 'open' relationship. I was absolutely sure it was for me. That is, of course, until I tried it.
Experience is the ultimate teacher.

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