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Slobodan Milosevic found dead in his cell

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 06:49 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Judge Fausto Pocar, president of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, released updated results Friday from the autopsy on Slobodan Milosevic indicating that toxicological tests undertaken by Dutch investigators showed "no indications" of poisoning, contrary to a claim allegedly made by the indicted ex-Yugoslav president before his sudden death Saturday.



What exactly would it take for you to see something as self-serving???
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 05:00 pm
Living a longtime under a communist dictatorsip makes many really blinded - how long did you follow them you said, gunga?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 01:14 pm
A new report issued Tuesday by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe says that a resurgence in Serb nationalism evident after the death in detention of ex-Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic makes it unlikely that fugitive Bosnian Serb war crimes indictee Ratko Mladic will soon be handed over to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.
The European security organization said that the circumstances of Milosevic's death, coming after the suicide of the convicted Milan Babic, former wartime leader of Croatia's rebel Serbs during the Balkan wars, "will not improve the credibility of the tribunal among the Serbian public."
The European Union has threatened to suspend negotiations with Serbia on joining the Union if Mladic is not handed over by March 31. The next round of negotiations was scheduled to take place April 5.

Report by the Irish Examiner: Milosevic death jeopardises Mladic handover
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:28 pm
The news...

Top Serbs tried for Kosovo crimes
2006/07/10 · BBC News

Summary:

The largest trial of senior Serbian officials has begun at The Hague's International War Crimes Tribunal. Six men, including ex-President Milutinovic, face war crimes charges over the actions of Serb troops during the conflict in Kosovo in 1999.

Milutinovic is in the dock alongside a former Yugoslav deputy Prime Minister, an ex-army chief of staff and three former generals. They are accused of the forced deportation of 800,000 ethnic Albanian civilians and the murder of thousands of others, as well as the destruction of their religious sites, in a "joint criminal enterprise" with Slobodan Milosevic.

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...and the illustration

Kosovo await new war crimes trials
2006/07/09 · Yahoo! News

Summary:

In Mala Krusa, a Kosovo village of about 1,000, many of the women have no husbands or sons. Some of the dead are on the list of victims named in the indictment of six former Serb and Yugoslav leaders who go on trial for alleged war crimes Monday.

Prosecutors allege that Mala Krusa was attacked by Serb forces in 1999. Residents fled to a forested area, where they saw police looting and burning their homes. But Serb police found them, ordered the women and children to go to Albania, and made men and boys walk to an empty house. There, they opened fire, prosecutors say, and then burnt the bodies. Hyreshahe Shehu recalls holding her 13-year-old son's trembling hand minutes before Serb forces took him away. Prosecutors say 105 were killed.

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Note also, in other news:

Milosevic Held Guilty, Still Not Too Late for Serbia
2006/07/05 · IPS

Summary:

The Serbian Supreme Court has confirmed that former president Milosevic ordered the execution of his political opponents. The verdict came while the Court confirmed prison sentences against eight secret service policemen for the abduction and assassination of Milosevic's predecessor Ivan Stambolic.

It was established that the killing of Stambolic and the 2000 assassination attempt on Draskovic were discussed at official meetings of the ruling Socialist Party, and that the group travelled to and from the attempt on Draskovic by army helicopter.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:10 pm
nimh wrote:
The news...

Top Serbs tried for Kosovo crimes
2006/07/10 · BBC News

Summary:

The largest trial of senior Serbian officials has begun at The Hague's International War Crimes Tribunal. Six men, including ex-President Milutinovic, face war crimes charges over the actions of Serb troops during the conflict in Kosovo in 1999.

Milutinovic is in the dock alongside a former Yugoslav deputy Prime Minister, an ex-army chief of staff and three former generals. They are accused of the forced deportation of 800,000 ethnic Albanian civilians and the murder of thousands of others, as well as the destruction of their religious sites, in a "joint criminal enterprise" with Slobodan Milosevic..



That's bullshit, but it doesn't surprise me anymore. According to every report I've ever read it was precisely the NATO/KKKlintonista bombing campaign which drove the "albanian kosovars" out of Kosovo.

The Milosevic trial is a travesty
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Thursday February 12, 2004 | Neil Clark

Posted on 02/11/2004 8:58:33 PM PST by Int

The Milosevic trial is a travesty

Political necessity dictates that the former Yugoslavian leader will be found guilty - even if the evidence doesn't

Neil Clark
Thursday February 12, 2004

It is two years today that the trial of Slobodan Milosevic opened at The Hague. The chief prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, was triumphant as she announced the 66 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocide that the former Yugoslavian president was charged with. CNN was among those who called it "the most important trial since Nuremburg" as the prosecution outlined the "crimes of medieval savagery" allegedly committed by the "butcher of Belgrade".

But since those heady days, things have gone horribly wrong for Ms Del Ponte. The charges relating to the war in Kosovo were expected to be the strongest part of her case. But not only has the prosecution signally failed to prove Milosevic's personal responsibility for atrocities committed on the ground, the nature and extent of the atrocities themselves has also been called into question.

Numerous prosecution witnesses have been exposed as liars - such as Bilall Avdiu, who claimed to have seen "around half a dozen mutilated bodies" at Racak, scene of the disputed killings that triggered the US-led Kosovo war. Forensic evidence later confirmed that none of the bodies had been mutilated. Insiders who we were told would finally spill the beans on Milosevic turned out to be nothing of the kind. Rade Markovic, the former head of the Yugoslavian secret service, ended up testifying in favour of his old boss, saying that he had been subjected to a year and a half of "pressure and torture" to sign a statement prepared by the court. Ratomir Tanic, another "insider", was shown to have been in the pay of British intelligence.

When it came to the indictments involving the wars in Bosnia and Croatia, the prosecution fared little better. In the case of the worst massacre with which Milosevic has been accused of complicity - of between 2,000 and 4,000 men and boys in Srebrenica in 1995 - Del Ponte's team have produced nothing to challenge the verdict of the five-year inquiry commissioned by the Dutch government - that there was "no proof that orders for the slaughter came from Serb political leaders in Belgrade".

T o bolster the prosecution's flagging case, a succession of high-profile political witnesses has been wheeled into court. The most recent, the US presidential hopeful and former Nato commander Wesley Clark, was allowed, in violation of the principle of an open trial, to give testimony in private, with Washington able to apply for removal of any parts of his evidence from the public record they deemed to be against US interests.

For any impartial observer, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that Del Ponte has been working backwards - making charges and then trying to find evidence. Remarkably, in the light of such breaches of due process, only one western human rights organisation, the British Helsinki Group, has voiced concerns. Richard Dicker, the trial's observer for Human Rights Watch, announced himself "impressed" by the prosecution's case. Cynics might say that as George Soros, Human Rights Watch's benefactor, finances the tribunal, Dicker might not be expected to say anything else.

Judith Armatta, an American lawyer and observer for the Coalition for International Justice (another Soros-funded NGO) goes further, gloating that "when the sentence comes and he disappears into that cell, no one is going to hear from him again. He will have ceased to exist". So much then for those quaint old notions that the aim of a trial is to determine guilt. For Armatta, Dicker and their backers, it seems that Milosevic is already guilty as charged.

Terrible crimes were committed in the Balkans during the 90s and it is right that those responsible are held accountable in a court of law. But the Hague tribunal, a blatantly political body set up and funded by the very Nato powers that waged an illegal war against Milosevic's Yugoslavia four years ago - and that has refused to consider the prima facie evidence that western leaders were guilty of war crimes in that conflict - is clearly not the vehicle to do so.

Far from being a dispenser of impartial justice, as many progressives still believe, the tribunal has demonstrated its bias in favour of the economic and military interests of the planet's most powerful nations. Milosevic is in the dock for getting in the way of those interests and, regardless of what has gone on in court, political necessity dictates that he will be found guilty, if not of all the charges, then enough for him to be incarcerated for life. The affront to justice at The Hague over the past two years provides a sobering lesson for all those who pin so much hope on the newly established international criminal court.

The US has already ensured that it will not be subject to that court's jurisdiction. Members of the UN security council will have the power to impede or suspend its investigations. The goal of an international justice system in which the law would be applied equally to all is a fine one. But in a world in which some states are clearly more equal than others, its realisation looks further away than ever.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:16 pm
A buddy of mine sends me this thought about the dutch...


Milosevic was presumably on trial for attempting to deport (or ethnically cleanse) albanian slammites from a Serbian province for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time:

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm

One assumes that the Dutch were practicing to try themselves for ethnic cleansing and genocide, since they themselves are now beginning to expell muslims from their own country:

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/2/17502340-DA4E-4379-9982-AED6C77B315D.html

also for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time:

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1111&terms=

An unbiased observer would be excused for assuming that barbaric conduct over protracted periods of time is a sort of an slammite specialty.

Now, one way to prevent yourself from being charged with hypocricy, is to start torturing people. For the same reason that nobody would ever charge Al Capone with shoplifting, nobody would ever charge somebody like Adolf Eichman or Joseph Mengele with hypocrisy.

Thus it comes out that a prosecutioni witness in this trial of Slobodan Milosevic stood up in the courtroom and stated that prosecutors had attempted to torture an accusation against Milosevic out of him:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/sr.gowans/markovic.html

Now, in an American courtroom, that would be the instantaneous end of the trial and the prosecutor's career (doing anything other than washing dishes in the courtroom cafeteria) right there.

Thus there should be a question of how Americans would want to be associated with this process even before you consider the fact that Americans soundly reject the entire premise of the ICC and have gone as far as to pass a law requiring the president of the United States to use military force to rescue any American being held by that "tribunal":

http://middleeastreference.org.uk/inlap020819.html

In other words, Holland would face the armed might of the United States military were it to try to do to any American what it did to Milosevic, and that's even before the whole thing turned into a case of Arkancide...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:27 pm
This was an UN trial at an UN court.

When you critisise the UN, you don't automatically spit on the USA because New York is situated in America ... or did I miss that, gunga?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:35 pm
Web sites everybody should know about:

Jared Israel's site, and major storehouse for information related to Yugoslavia:

http://www.tenc.net

The story about the phony tale of the Bosnian Serb "death camp" at Trnopolje:

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/film/judgment.htm

The question is, after Trnopolje, which part of any of the phony NATO/KKKlintonista/NWO bullshit is anybody supposed to go on believing?

The website for the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic:

http://www.icdsm.org/

http://www.icdsm.org/can.jpg

http://slobodan-milosevic.org/

NATO/KKKlintonista war crimes:

http://slobodan-milosevic.org/nato.htm

http://slobodan-milosevic.org/images/nato.gif

The fat, ugly, stupid, evil-minded little troll who started the KKKlintonista assault on Serbia:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/e6/300px-Great_Leader_Comrade_Kim_Jong_Il_(122).jpg

In other words, our last de-moker-rat "secretary of state".....

I mean, I'd have happily paid a hundred dollars to watch the spetznaz rescue Milosevic, and two hundred and maybe as much as five hundred if they could have shot the Hague to pieces in the process.

http://www.icdsm.org/sloba3.jpg

In Lermontov's words, a hero of our times.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:37 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This was an UN trial at an UN court.

When you critisise the UN, you don't automatically spit on the USA because New York is situated in America ... or did I miss that, gunga?


Pretty much everybody I know who lives in NY agree that if Atta et. al. had flown those jetliners into the UN building they'd be class A heros and there'd be statues in their honor. The UN is utterly and totally hated and despised in most of America, INCLUDING NY, both state and city.

How's THAT grab you?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:40 pm
Not only at the end of 20th century, but even before Serbians committed ethnic cleanings. Serbia has not only been one of the NAZI's best allies, but even before that time anti-jewish attacks are well documented.

A book everyone should read: Anti-Semitism in Serbia
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:46 pm
Oh, yeah, that thing about what will happen to the fricking dutch the first day they even think about hauling an American soldier or politician in front of one of their little kangaroo courts...

Do a google search on "hague invasion act" and read some of what turns up. Pretty illuminating.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/aspa080302.htm


Quote:

U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law
White House "Stops at Nothing" in Campaign Against War Crimes Court...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:48 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Not only at the end of 20th century, but even before Serbians committed ethnic cleanings. Serbia has not only been one of the NAZI's best allies, but even before that time anti-jewish attacks are well documented.

A book everyone should read: Anti-Semitism in Serbia


All the commentary that rates:

http://www.antiquark.com/entropyzone/thumb/nobs-tn.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 03:50 am
gungasnake wrote:
One assumes that the Dutch were practicing to try themselves for ethnic cleansing and genocide, since they themselves are now beginning to expell muslims from their own country:[..]

In other words, Holland would face the armed might of the United States military were it to try to do to any American what it did to Milosevic, and that's even before the whole thing turned into a case of Arkancide...

The Dutch have virtually nothing to do with the Tribunal apart from the fact that it happens to be located there. It's a UN court, with UN-appointed judges from all over the world, under UN authority. The Dutch government is not involved, so all of your comments above pretty much amount to ... see your cartoon above.

If you're so wildly off on even such a basic question, one can guess how off-kilter the rest of your posts is.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:22 am
nimh wrote:
The Dutch have virtually nothing to do with the Tribunal apart from the fact that it happens to be located there.


That's why I named New York and the UN (though the Americans were very keen to get it there).


nimh wrote:

If you're so wildly off on even such a basic question, one can guess how off-kilter the rest of your posts is.

You learnt that only now?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 06:24 am
I mean, you're sitting there publishing urls to bullshit produced by the "Croatian Heritage Foundation" and you want to talk about bullshit??


http://antiwar.com/orig/jatras.php?articleid=1495

Quote:

"But you can understand Croatia best by saying flatly that if there is one place in the world where a statue of Adolph Hitler would be revered, it would be in Zagreb,"


http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/4508723/no%20bullshit1.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:27 pm
gungasnake wrote:
I mean, you're sitting there publishing urls to bullshit produced by the "Croatian Heritage Foundation" and you want to talk about bullshit??

I mean, you're sitting there publishing urls to bullshit produced by "slobodan-milosevic.org", and "the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic", and you want to talk about bullshit?

See, we can all do that. If you want to criticize sources, fine, but then do note that the quality and objectivity of your own sources is under scrutiny too.

Seriously - another site you continuously link to, srpska-mreza.com, currently has a petition up "to stop the witch hunt against Serbian politicians". But when it comes to the hunting of Serbian politicians, don't you, as a Serbian patriot or one who identifies with them, have any response to the Serbian Supreme Court finding that Milosevic ordered the assassination of former President Ivan Stambolic and then-opposition leader Vuk Draskovic?

The Serbian Supreme Court, note, in Serbia, and at a time when a national-conservative heads a government which relies on the support of Milosevic's Socialist Party for survival.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:31 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
nimh wrote:
The Dutch have virtually nothing to do with the Tribunal apart from the fact that it happens to be located there.

That's why I named New York and the UN (though the Americans were very keen to get it there).

Yes, I noted that. He didnt, though.
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