8,000 desert during Iraq war

i'd have to more or less agree with mystery. not so sure about being "shot", though that and hanging are the traditional punishment for desertion.

since there's no draft for the last 30 years, if ya don't want to get into battle, ya probably should do a different kind of work to begin with.

Brandon, I repeatedly ignore your challenge. Most Americans believe Bushie deliberately lied us into war. They did not come to that conclusion recklessly. Most Americans believe lying us into war should lead to impeachment. Your challenge despite arguments to and frow on the issue leads me to believe you're cherry picking your info.

Brandon9000 wrote:

I have repeatedly challenged liberals on the board to state for me one, and only one lie that Bush told, in their own words (not a link), and have received every possible response except an on-topic, civil answer with evidence. What is this lie you are referring to?

I don't consider myself a "liberal", more of a moderate Republican, but I'll take a stab. So, in my own words and without links, I believed the President lied when he said:

1) He was not briefed about the risks of Hurricane Katrina and the government did everything possible to prepare for it. I'm from New Orleans, so I get more steamed about this than most.

2) The United States does not engage in torture. Three years ago, I defended the US against this charge on other boards. I was wrong. The evidence is overwhelming that the US has done this using most commonly accepted definitions of torture. Only by distorting the definition can the President claim otherwise.

3) Iraq was working with terrorists, was involved in 9/11 and was a threat to the US. His defenders may claim otherwise, but the President was clearly spinning this tale before the Iraq invasion.

4) He does not know Jack Abramoff. Jack says otherwise.

There are several other lies I think the President told, but that are not conclusive. I'll start with these for now.

blueflame1 wrote:

Brandon, I repeatedly ignore your challenge. Most Americans believe Bushie deliberately lied us into war. They did not come to that conclusion recklessly. Most Americans believe lying us into war should lead to impeachment. Your challenge despite arguments to and frow on the issue leads me to believe you're cherry picking your info.

I'm going to start ignoring a lot of the right-wingers here. They just act as a firewall to real political conversation.

I say it's time to move forward and leave them behind intill the acknowledge the truth and start making sense. There anti-productive and a waste of time, energy and typing.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

i'd have to more or less agree with mystery. not so sure about being "shot", though that and hanging are the traditional punishment for desertion.

since there's no draft for the last 30 years, if ya don't want to get into battle, ya probably should do a different kind of work to begin with.

Desertion just means gone for 30 days or more. It happens all the time in peace time. (8,000 per year according to the initial post)

Blueflame never defends with evidence, don't tread. He is obsessed with Bush because Bush is friendly to the people who are pushing for DOMA.

DOMA is the Defense of Marriage Amendment. It is meant to counteract judicial overturning of the Defense of Marriage Acts of the many states that have them. The acts vary but for the most part specify that a marriage must be between a man and a woman.

You may, of course, rag on Bush because he is for DOMA. However, you should be informed that most states now have constitutional amendments which uphold The Defense of Marriage Act. You are, of course, aware, that the states do this through a referendum which allows to put the question on the ballot and then to a vote.

You may not be aware, however, that soon DOMA will be enshrined in more than 80% of the states making the NON DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE, a strictly academic exercise.

It appears you don't know too much about DOMA. I will fill you in.

nope. i just don't call it doma. i call it a lot of other things though. like discrimination. puritanical. nosey.

nice to know that you admit that roberts and alito are activist judges.


I hope that this has helped you, don't tread. I am sure that you will find that Blueflame's posts are usually over the top, referenced to doubtful sources and quite unbalanced!!!

anon,
Bush is apparently smarter then you are.

He graduated from Yale,he was twice elected Governor of Texas,and he was twicer elected President.

Now I know you are going to give a song and dance about using his connections to accomplish all that,so let me save you the trouble.

Even if he did it that way,he was still smarter then you because he did it.

If you are so smart,why havent you used your name and connections to accomplish more then being a bitter old fool?

I don't worry about nepotism. Being a white guy, I'll never get to work for an asian boss.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you just assume that I'm a racist, you're an idiot.

Not.