Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 06:38 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
You, Mr Cut and Paste merchant who fails miserably when it comes to humour or sarcasm, have still avoided giving specific answers.

I put it to you that you condone the actions of muslim terrorists when they carry out such things as the aforementioned atrocities in my earlier posts.

It is now up to you to deny it, and if you manage to arrange your own thoughts in a suitably coherent manner, you may be good enough to let us know what you think about it all.

Lord,
Very Happy
Damn... The next words should be "I beseech thee..." but that would be rather sacriligeous now, wouldn't it?
Anyway, Lord, although I suspect that I and thee are at opposite ends of the spectrum, I appreciate your efforts to draw mehdi out.
I suspect that he has this buzzing going on in his brain, similiar to a drug high, that cancels out rational thought.
In other words, I suspect that he is actually incapable of answering in other than the singsong cadence of his particular perceptions of his religious high...
What is interesting is that, unlike most of the other religious posters on this board, the "cut and paste" drone of nonsense seems only to affect Muslims...
Sigh...
Time to be blasted again for being so hateful to Muslims... Where is Ibn_kumuna when you need him?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 11:54 am
"tell your Lord Ellpus to stop worshiping julia's breasts.
" consider yourself suitably chastised E.
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muslim1
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:09 am
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.
Your Creator says: "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." [Glorious Qur'an 5:3]


And Allah knows best.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:04 am
It's perfect for the cowardly islamic men.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:09 am
Quote:

And Allah knows best.

Nuh uh, Odin does.
Did allah tear out one of his eyes so he could drop it mimirs spring so he could see all things at all times? I didn't think so!
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:56 am
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.
Your Creator says: "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." [Glorious Qur'an 5:3]


And Allah knows best.


لله ك كومة حاشدة الروث
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brahmin
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:01 pm
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


it is indeed the final and perfect way of life - for all retarded cavemen and/or primitive camel jockeys and/or bloodthirsty cut-throats and/or inbred fcuktards and/or suicide bombers.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:02 pm
Moishe3rd wrote:

لله ك كومة حاشدة الروث


can we have a translation of that please?
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brahmin
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:07 pm
muslim1 wrote:
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."


TRANSLATION :


This day I, caveman and demented fornicator extra-ordinary, have perfected your (ie. arab's and/or camel jockey's) death-cult for you inbreds, completed my disfavour towards all civilizations, and have chosen for you murderous cut-throats, I-(shall)-slam as your er...rebellion.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 05:25 pm
brahmin wrote:
Moishe3rd wrote:

لله ك كومة حاشدة الروث


can we have a translation of that please?


Cool

[llh] as stack stack of battery of the dung
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LoveMyFamily
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 12:32 am
mehdi wrote:
Quote:
Reverts to Islam in Modern Times

Bismillah Rahman Raheem

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said,
"The Last Day will not come until ISLAM has entered into every home on earth."
Today ISLAM is the world's fastest growing religion - Even after Sept. 11, 2001.

From Sheik Yusuf Estes,
National Chaplain
IslamTomorrow.com
Alexandria, VA - USA

Salam Alaykum:

We received an email asking about the increase in the number of people "reverting to Islam." Good Question!

This gives me the excuse to do something that I have wanted to do for a long time. I have wanted to write on the subject of "Reverts to Islam in Modern Times" and the message that it carries to all of us as Muslims and non-Muslims.

BACK TO ISLAM?
Reverts to Islam In Modern Times - by Yusuf Estes
"Revert" As Opposed to "Convert"
I like to use the word "revert" as opposed to the word "convert" as it more suits the occasion of a person returning back to his natural condition at birth. The baby is born in true surrender, submission, obedience and peace with his Creator. And this is the desirable position of the Muslim, to be in peace and submission to the Will of Allah (God in English). Instead of thinking in terms of "converting" people over to Islam, it is better understood that they are simply returning back to their natural state at birth. And this is from the teachings of our beloved prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him. (Muslims should always say "Peace be upon him/them" when referring to any of the prophets).


Like A Baby
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Every child is born on the "fitrah" (natural inclination) of "Islam" (surrender, submission and peace to the Creator on His Terms). And it is their parents who raise them up to be Jews, Christians or fire worshippers."

Dr. Ted Campbell who is the professor of religion at the seminary school in Maryland and I were both sharing the speakers platform last year in Maryland University. At the closing of a very nice interfaith dialog there came a strange question for both of us. Noah, the moderator said: "This last question is for both speakers: "Why are each of you in your religion?"

Dr. Campbell took his position in front of the microphone and then looked around the room as he thought about the question. I will never forget his words. He said: "I guess I would have to say that I am a Methodist because, well because, my parents raised me that way. As a Methodist."

He was right.

That is what we know as Muslims. However, as I mentioned in my answer to the same question: "And then some are brought back to their original state as a baby." They are "reverted" to Islam by the Mercy of Allah.


Actual or Factual Numbers of American Muslims
Many people are claiming that twice as many, or three times or four times, or even ten times as many people are coming into Islam as they did prior to the events of September 11. Who could possibly know the numbers? We are not even sure how many Muslims live here in America. I have heard the numbers range from around 3,000,000 all the way up to 11,000,000. I'm sure that only Allah Knows for sure how many Muslims there are in America.


Rate of "Reversion"
Actually, I can't give accurate statistics before or after the September events. I have heard from some "experts" that Islam was the fastest growing religion in the world prior to the September 11 events. I have no reason to doubt it either. In the many mosques around the United States and in the many countries that I have been fortunate enough to visit I have found thousands who have entered into Islam. The Anglican Church of England expressed concern that if something does not change in the trend of new Muslims in England that the Muslims will out number the Anglicans by the year 2010. The number one name of the birth certificates for new born boys in England was not John, or Michael, or William. It is "Muhammad." In Mexico, Sweden, Denmark and Canada I have witnessed so many coming into Islam that I cannot count them all. Everywhere I go I meet new Muslims. Prisons, universities and even in the military I have personally seen thousands who came to Islam. This is all before the events of September 11.


More Exposure to the Message
What I feel comfortable saying is that more and more people are being to exposed to Islam all over the world. Whether or not the picture they are receiving is painted correctly or not is not as important a factor as is the fact that at long last many people on this planet are looking at Islam as something very real. Therefore, when they ask about Islam some of the information is stimulating feelings inside of the people. Naturally we are going to see those who are stimulated to be against Islam. At the same time you have to understand that there are a number of people who will take the position that you cannot always believe everything in the news media. These are the ones whom Allah guides to inquire and learn more.


Allah is the Only Guide
It is only Allah who Guides the people and it is only Allah who Misguides. The biggest problem in the past used to be the lack of interest in Islam. People were not interested in talking about Islam or any religion for that matter, even their own. Now the problem is the lack of correct knowledge of Islam. There simply was not anything about Islam out there. Then came the events of the 1970s with the actions of some of the Iranians when they hijacked airplanes and we saw on the news, men prostrating on the ground outside the airplanes. We in the West learned a new word; "Shi'ism". People said this is some strange religion (Islam). What is going on? Then came the 1980s and we saw acts of terrorism that occurred in Palestine and the words "fundamentalist" and "Muslim" became associated together. At the very beginning of the next decade we saw something take place in Iraq and Kuwait. Again religion is brought into the picture. Not a pretty picture, but a picture. Midway through the 1990s we saw big actions taking place everywhere in the world. The Trade Center in New York, airplanes, embassies, attacks and counter attacks. All along we are hearing something about "Islam" and "Moslems." Still not very positive to say the least. Then what occurred in September brought out more information, although distorted, about this religion of the East.


President Says "Islam is Peace"
Every home, every business, every place on earth became exposed to this religion called: "Islam." The president of the United States went on television at a time when everyone who had a TV set was watching to see what the United States Commander in Chief was going to say about the events of September 11, and what US was going to do. His message contained a lot of threats and promises about what the Americans were going to do to those who committed these horrific acts of terrorism. But the words that stick in my mind are the words that introduced Islam to a lot of people around the world who had never heard of Islam before in their lives. The words of President G. W. Bush when he said: "Islam is a religion of peace." Every single place on earth that could receive the broadcast signal from the TV towers or the satellites orbiting the earth got the message. And for those who were not so fortunate as to have a TV set, it was simultaneously broadcast on every radio station in the world. And for those who might have slept through the broadcast, it was rebroadcast over and over. And then for those who did not speak English of course there was translation. And then the written word took over where the broadcasting left off. There was not a newspaper in the world except that it carried something of the meaning of what Mr. Bush said on that occasion. It was a historical speech. One that will go down in the books of history as the retaliation of a nation against terrorism. He said it. "ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE."


Divide Muslims
Now we know that Mr. Bush is not promoting Islam by any stretch of the imagination. However, he still could not afford to say something derogatory against all the Muslims in the world by attacking Islam. That would then unite all the Muslims against America (at least most of them).

In fact it was to the advantage of the Americans to make statements that would help divide the Muslims over the situation existing in Afghanistan and the situation that was sure to occur. By making this statement, he left the door open for the Muslims who did not want to see any problem between the materialism of the West (which they personally enjoyed or would like to enjoy) and the sacrificing of those who were willing to stand up against the tyranny and oppression of the Western society and all that comes along with it.

So the strategy was to say things that made certain Muslims look bad while at the same time not exactly attacking Islam. This led up to the next desirable situation for shayton: Divide the Muslims against each other. So, now we had "mainstream Muslims" and "fundamentalist Muslims" and "terrorist Islam" and "modern Islam." It worked too. The Muslims did the thing that the non-Muslims could never have done. The Muslims defeated themselves. Anytime that Muslims fight Muslims and Muslims kill Muslims, then Allah's Protection is lifted from them and they will loose. That is what happened.


People Want to Know
Still in the midst of all of this negative propaganda and bad press, non-Muslim people were curious to learn more of this "cult" of Islam, its people and their beliefs. Books about Islam and Muslims were disappearing off the shelves of the bookstores faster than they could replenish them. Unfortunately almost every single book was written either by a non-Muslim or authors from the various deviant sects of Muslims. So the people were still not getting the real message of the true Islam.

Websites, chat rooms, email and message boards became alive with information (and misinformation) about Islam, Muslims, Quran, Muhammad, peace be upon him. Some people wanted to know the truth, others wanted to hide it. Discussions and arguments about what Islam is about and what Muslims do were very common place. This was the most exposure that these subjects had ever had in the world at one time.


Open Communication Between Muslim & Non-Muslim
The good news came when the various dialogs between the Muslims and Christians began to take place. When the non-Muslims began to enter the masjids and sit with the Muslims and shared together in discussions and shared together enjoying the food and traditions of other cultures an amazing thing began to happen. They opened their minds and their hearts to the true message of the submission and surrender and obedience to the One True God, Allah -- in Islam.


Back to Islam
Since September 11th, I have seen a huge increase in the interest of people wanting to know about Islam and at the same time a marked increase in the "dawah" (invitation) to Islam on the part of the Muslims around the world. This is how the people are coming to Islam. The same way people have come to Islam for 1,400 years. By learning the true message and being with real Muslims. Those who are inclined to "revert" back to the natural state of baby-like submission and peace with Allah, are finding their way back to Islam.


Many New Muslims
Islam today, is growing faster than ever. It is the Will of Allah, for only He Guides. The people want to know. The interest is keen. The materials are available in more simple terms in many languages. The Muslims are starting to carry the responsibility of sharing the message of the true "Peace With God in Islam."

Islam In Every Home
Somewhere in the middle of all of this is occurred to me an expression of our prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. When he said what might translate to English as:

"The Last Day will not come until Islam has entered every house on earth, whether it is made of animal skins or from the earth."

And now it has.

Learn more about priests and preachers entering ISLAM, like me -- visit:

http://IslamTomorrow.com/yusuf.asp

May Allah guide all of us to all Truth, ameen.

Salam Alaykum,
Yusuf Estes - National Muslim Chaplain
Alexandria, VA - USA


I regard this as a very sensible post about spreading of Islam. This gentleman talks about numbers and not just.. only because Allah wants it that way. I am so tired of that. I was hoping for some rational talks from some Muslims who will not just blindly quote the quran and ask you to follow it. And if you don't follow it you burn in Hell.

Thanks for the article Mehdi. If people choose at will to follow Islam, I surely see no problem with it. It is their choice. I only wish people do not distort a religion and use it as an excuse for killing people.
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LoveMyFamily
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 12:35 am
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 02:03 am
The article posted by Medhi is, as is usual from apologists for Islam, misleading and deceitful. Islam is like bird flu but more dangerous. We need strict hygene to keep it under control and get rid of it.

To take one of the more ludicrous statements

"I like to use the word "revert" as opposed to the word "convert" as it more suits the occasion of a person returning back to his natural condition at birth. The baby is born in true surrender, submission, obedience and peace with his Creator. And this is the desirable position of the Muslim.."

At least the Methodist was honest. He said he was brought up to be a Methodist. The truth is that Muslims are brought up to be Muslims. NO CHILD IS BORN CHRISTIAN BUDDHIST MUSLIM OR HINDU. It is a despicable lie to say that Islam is the natural state of the child, and that parents are therefore evil if they bring them up to be Hindi or Christian, or EVEN WORSE allow the child to develop naturally, to learn and think about the world, and to make his own mind up about religion once he is old enough to think as an adult.

If you have to hoodwink your children into confirming their religion as adults, your religion does not deserve to survive.

Islam is repressive, backward looking, anti science, intolerant and at its margins violent. It proclaims itself to be perfect. Apart from the numerous errors of fact and logic within muslim thought, NO ONE but a simple minded dupe could believe that one "holy" book contains all knowledge worth knowing.

Islam grew out of the need to form a distinct monotheistic faith for the tribes of Arabia. It borrowed a great deal from the Jewish Talmud, and defined itself by strict monotheism, thus putting it at odds with the newer "Trinitarian" Christianity. It spread rapidly through violent means.

"Mohammeds God endorsed a policy of conquest, instructing his believers to fight against unbelievers wherever they might be found. In short Mohammed had to conquer, his followers liked to conquer, and his deity told him to conquer".

But the article has its moments of humour. G W Bush is quoted as saying "Islam is a religion of peace". Well of course that explains everything. Mr Bush never tries to twist the truth does he? And a Muslim has to resort to the President of the United States, currently engaged in a global war on terror, for confirmation that his religion is peaceful. Smile

Islam is not alone in being a dangerous meme which mankind must ultimately eradicate.
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muslim1
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 12:17 pm
LoveMyFamily wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.

Why would a way of life (in this case Islam) designed by the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth need to be improved?
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 01:29 pm
muslim1 wrote:
LoveMyFamily wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.

Why would a way of life (in this case Islam) designed by the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth need to be improved?


cos its behind more killings in history than any other way of life, save perhaps christanity. bloodthirsty both.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 05:18 pm
muslim1 wrote:
LoveMyFamily wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.

Why would a way of life (in this case Islam) designed by the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth need to be improved?


It wouldn't. But if no such creator exists, as seems to be the case, then clearly it's a ridiculous idea.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 06:33 am
muslim1 wrote:
LoveMyFamily wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.

Why would a way of life (in this case Islam) designed by the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth need to be improved?

In the immortal words of meself...
Frolic upon yer Way O' Life all ye want.
Just stop cutting people's heads off.... Please.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 12:04 am
Eorl wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
LoveMyFamily wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
brahmin wrote:
since 1400 odd years is enough proof that islam has no interest in changing itself


There is no need to change or modify Islam since it is the final and perfect way of life for all human beings anywhere anytime.


This is where the problem lies. You believe it is perfect. You are leaving no chances of improvement.

Why would a way of life (in this case Islam) designed by the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth need to be improved?


It wouldn't. But if no such creator exists, as seems to be the case, then clearly it's a ridiculous idea.


Then what's your purpose on this planet if God does not exist? Do you think God created this Earth for your amusement?

Did you suppose that We created you for amusement and that you would not return to Us? (Surat al-Muminun: 115)
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 02:48 am
Another cut and paste maniac blindly following an ancient superstition like a mindless automaton. Oh joy Rolling Eyes
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 03:46 am
Wilso wrote:
Another cut and paste maniac blindly following an ancient superstition like a mindless automaton. Oh joy Rolling Eyes


Do you ever have something creative to add? All you leave are smartass comments that add nothing but waste bandwidth.
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