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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 06:26 pm
Clinton slams GOP rival's Cuba remark


By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 18 minutes ago



LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - Taking a swipe at a potential GOP presidential rival, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday criticized Fred Thompson for suggesting illegal Cuban immigrants pose a terrorist threat.


"I was appalled when one of the people running for or about to run for the Republican nomination talked about Cuban refugees as potential terrorists," Clinton told Hispanic elected officials. "Apparently he doesn't have a lot of experience in Florida or anywhere else, and doesn't know a lot of Cuban-Americans."

Thompson, who is polling strongly among GOP primary voters and is expected to join the race soon, made the comment at a campaign stop Wednesday in South Carolina.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 05:09 am
Meanwhile, Illinois State Senator Kirk Dillard's (Republican, and until April chairman of the DuPage County GOP, one of the party's strongest political organizations in the state) is featured prominently in a new television ad praising Senator Barack Obama.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 05:12 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Clinton slams GOP rival's Cuba remark


By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 18 minutes ago



LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - Taking a swipe at a potential GOP presidential rival, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday criticized Fred Thompson for suggesting illegal Cuban immigrants pose a terrorist threat.


"I was appalled when one of the people running for or about to run for the Republican nomination talked about Cuban refugees as potential terrorists," Clinton told Hispanic elected officials. "Apparently he doesn't have a lot of experience in Florida or anywhere else, and doesn't know a lot of Cuban-Americans."

Thompson, who is polling strongly among GOP primary voters and is expected to join the race soon, made the comment at a campaign stop Wednesday in South Carolina.


So is Hillary saying that its impossible for there to be terrorists or other criminals to try and come into this country pretending to be Cuban,or is she saying that Cubans themselves cant be terrorists?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 05:21 am
mysteryman wrote:
So is Hillary saying that its impossible for there to be terrorists or other criminals to try and come into this country pretending to be Cuban,or is she saying that Cubans themselves cant be terrorists?

Neither of the two. She seems to be suggesting that an illegal Cuban immigrant is no more likely than everybody else to be a terrorist. This is a reasonable thing to suggest, considering the number of terrorist acts committed by Cubans so far.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 10:25 am
Thomas wrote:
Neither of the two. She seems to be suggesting that an illegal Cuban immigrant is no more likely than everybody else to be a terrorist. This is a reasonable thing to suggest, considering the number of terrorist acts committed by Cubans so far.

And the current administration doesn't seem to be too concerned with Cuban terrorists, so what's all the fuss about?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 10:32 am
Haven't you noticed? Lately, the news about Iraq has been about al Qaeda; not the sectarian violence that has been on the increase.

Simple minds only require simple media reports to influence them; think Murdock.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 08:31 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Clinton slams GOP rival's Cuba remark


By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 18 minutes ago



LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - Taking a swipe at a potential GOP presidential rival, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday criticized Fred Thompson for suggesting illegal Cuban immigrants pose a terrorist threat.


"I was appalled when one of the people running for or about to run for the Republican nomination talked about Cuban refugees as potential terrorists," Clinton told Hispanic elected officials. "Apparently he doesn't have a lot of experience in Florida or anywhere else, and doesn't know a lot of Cuban-Americans."

Thompson, who is polling strongly among GOP primary voters and is expected to join the race soon, made the comment at a campaign stop Wednesday in South Carolina.


I think I see why Thompson wants to run for president without actually admitting that he he is running. Maybe he presents a bit less of a target for as long as possible, so he can run without so many people picking on him. But Clinton at least is starting to take him serious enough to take some shots at him.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 12:05 am
Walter
You should delve more deeply into the connection between Obama and chicago politicians. He is a child of the chicago political machine. In chicago and a good part of Illinois politician and crook are synonymous. Obama is a chicago politician.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 04:42 am
okie wrote:
If you view my opinions as extreme, then perhaps Reagan, Eisenhower, Lincoln, and many other great Americans might be viewed as extremist according to you dys.

How dare you compare yourself with Eisenhower. If anyone with Eisenhower's actual policies would run for President now, you would slam him as being a RINO if not an outright liberal.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:08 am
nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
If you view my opinions as extreme, then perhaps Reagan, Eisenhower, Lincoln, and many other great Americans might be viewed as extremist according to you dys.

How dare you compare yourself with Eisenhower. If anyone with Eisenhower's actual policies would run for President now, you would slam him as being a RINO if not an outright liberal.

Socialist. President Eisenhower, under whom the top marginal tax rate was 90 percent, must have been a socialist. Even Bernie Sanders, the only Socialist in Congress today, isn't demanding a tax rate that high.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 05:29 am
Yup. Right in line with Okie's thinking. Isn't that obvious?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 06:49 am
nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
If you view my opinions as extreme, then perhaps Reagan, Eisenhower, Lincoln, and many other great Americans might be viewed as extremist according to you dys.

How dare you compare yourself with Eisenhower. If anyone with Eisenhower's actual policies would run for President now, you would slam him as being a RINO if not an outright liberal.

I base my opinion on what little I can remember about Eisenhower when I was very young, what conservative farmers and other friends liked about him, and on my readings of him since, most importantly an article published in the Saturday evening Post, titled "Why I am a Republlican," which was written by Ike. Among the things he talked about in that article was his criticism of "liberals," yes, they existed then, and I think he was alluding to the socialist wing of the Democratic Party led by FDR. One of the main points of Ike's philosophy was his adamant opposition to "central planning." The article is detailed and leaves no doubt he was a conservative.

In regard to high marginal tax rates, you and Thomas must admit he inherited these from previous administrations, and consistent with Eisenhower's presidency, he spent more time playing golf and allowing the country to do what it does best, run itself. After World War II, there was a surge of industrial activity and reaping the benefits of a nation that could apply its progress to peacetime instead of fighting nazis, etc. Thus, Ike chose not to push for much change in such a prosperous cycle of history where even high marginal tax rates could not put a total damper on. Eisenhower is a true American patriot, a conservative, a man that believed in America, the importance of its moral fiber, and the free market system. He talked at length about the free market and its benefits. Such an article could never have been written by a modern American liberal, without lying.

Interestingly, my parents favored Adlai Stevenson when he ran against Ike, because they were staunch FDR Democrats, and are still Democrats, but I have since found out that luckily the country did not elect Stevenson, who was truly the liberal, as opposed to Ike. Incidentally, my parents have not voted for any Democrats for a good long while, for president.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:11 am
okie wrote:
most importantly an article published in the Saturday evening Post, titled "Why I am a Republlican," which was written by Ike.


To what 'Saturday Evening Post' are you referring? Any link to that article?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:16 am
okie wrote:
In regard to high marginal tax rates, you and Thomas must admit he inherited these from previous administrations, and consistent with Eisenhower's presidency, he spent more time playing golf and allowing the country to do what it does best, run itself.

I agree. It wasn't until America elected the liberal Kennedy that a president did something about those 90% tax rates.

Walter Hinteler wrote:
To what 'Saturday Evening Post' are you referring? Any link to that article?

I believe Okie is referring to an article from the 50s. Newspapers didn't post their articles online back then.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:30 am
Thomas wrote:

I believe Okie is referring to an article from the 50s. Newspapers didn't post their articles online back then.


Well, how do YOU know, young man :wink:

Got it, though: Dwight D. Eisenhower, "Why I Am a Republican,"Saturday Evening Post, April 11, 1964, p. 19.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:48 am
Walter, where did you find it? I have a copy of the magazine, but have never been able to find it online. I think it would be highly instructive if you can post a link if there is a transcript of it online.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:52 am
I don't have a link to an online copy - only found the reference in a footnote (as source for a quote).
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:53 am
Thomas wrote:
I agree. It wasn't until America elected the liberal Kennedy that a president did something about those 90% tax rates.


A bit of a correction, Kennedy is a Democrat icon, worshiped by liberals of his day, but as Rush Limbaugh loves to point out, he was conservative on some issues, including taxes, and his record of lowering tax rates to spur the economy to cause a sharp rise in tax revenues is commonly cited as a prime argument of the existence of a curve similar to the Laffer curve. We have talked about this at length on other threads, I am sure you recall.

Kennedy did do some things right, especially the tax reform, although he screwed up on some other things.

Eisenhower was clearly conservative, but he simply did not take the time to push for reform of the tax code. The time to do that came later. I think the years following World War II were devoted to other issues relative to a country recovering from the big war and dealing with Korea, etc.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:57 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't have a link to an online copy - only found the reference in a footnote (as source for a quote).


It might have been me? If I get time, I might try to post some of it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2007 08:06 am
okie wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't have a link to an online copy - only found the reference in a footnote (as source for a quote).


It might have been me?


Well, might be ... if you published a report about Space Policy during the Cold War at the Smithsonian Institution.
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