May I point out that OB has brought this upon himself by arguing, on a forum with lots of posters with years-long records of being against the war, that being against the war is very nice and fluffy in
hindsight?
And, going back, I see that the discussion that preceded that argument was a pages-long back and forth about whether people were actually capable of reading the Constitution or not. Maybe 8 pages or so. (And before that, the topic was Clinton's BJ.)
Anyways, let's try to tie all of this together - the discussion about the Constitution, the Iraq War and the Republican candidates - and get back on topic.
This is from Ron Paul's "Texas Straight Talk", from October 7, 2002:
Ron Paul wrote:Congress Becomes Irrelevant in the War Debate
Last week, during a hearing in the House International Relations committee, I attempted to force the committee to follow the Constitution and vote to declare war with Iraq. The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war. Yet Congress in general, and the committee in particular, have done everything possible to avoid making such a declaration. Why? Because members lack the political courage to call an invasion of Iraq what it really is- a war- and vote yes or no on the wisdom of such a war. Congress would rather give up its most important authorized power to the President and the UN than risk losing an election later if the war goes badly. There is always congressional "support" for a popular war, but the politicians want room to maneuver if the public later changes its mind. So members take half steps, supporting confusingly worded "authorizations" that they can back away from easily if necessary.
[...]
When Congress issued clear declarations of war against Japan and Germany during World War II, the nation was committed and victory was achieved. When Congress shirks its duty and avoids declaring war, as with Korea, and Vietnam, the nation is less committed and the goals are less clear. No lives should be lost in Iraq unless Congress expresses the clear will of the American people and votes yes or no on a declaration of war.
(source:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2002/tst100702.htm)
Interesting, innit? And apparently, exactly this seems to disqualify him as presidential material in the eyes of many conservatives. One of the often-repeated charges is that he really is a Libertarian, and merely using the GOP to further his own career. Sneaky bastard.
So, in the light of this: what do you, Thomas, think about ol' Ron? Would you describe him as a Libertarian?
And to the conservatives here: does he have any chance at all?