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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 11:49 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
<b>Bootsie Collins</b> wrote:
Hey Foxy, here's my likeability evidence from February 7, 2005



Fair point, but do you really think Jimmy Carter was more likeable than Gerald Ford?
Not to me.... but Bald head, infamous stumble and pardoned Nixon... yep. (Remember, this is a shallow point. :wink: )

Interesting that the first objection was from 3 decades ago. Idea
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 01:50 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
<b>Bootsie Collins</b> wrote:
Hey Foxy, here's my likeability evidence from February 7, 2005



Fair point, but do you really think Jimmy Carter was more likeable than Gerald Ford?


Jimmy Carter's television persona came across as a lovable, cuddly, gentleman and most importantly, a Southern
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 06:00 pm
<b>Wonder Woman</b> wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
<b>Bootsie Collins</b> wrote:
Hey Foxy, here's my likeability evidence from February 7, 2005



Fair point, but do you really think Jimmy Carter was more likeable than Gerald Ford?


Jimmy Carter's television persona came across as a lovable, cuddly, gentleman and most importantly, a Southern


I appreciated Jimmy being from the South, having a "fresh" face, and being an unabashed Christian. At the time, I also appreciated his being a Dem. (albeit slightly to the right of the Dem center).

Ford seemed to be stuck in another time (Remember WIN Gardens?) and he followed the noxious Nixon. Poor sod.

Hands down though, he was more likeable than the sanctimonious Jimmy.

Carter's presidency was a disaster, but he will get his posthumous props for his post-presidency activity. The good that he did do after he left office will, in a time when everyone will want to speak well of him, will overshadow his horrible presidency and his inane post-presidency meddling.

I really though that Clinton would be the first president to break the unwritten law about criticizing following presidents. I was wrong, it was Jimmy. Actually Clinton's been a lot quieter than I expected.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 07:55 pm
<b>Wonder Woman</b> wrote:
I still remember after Carter was elected though, sitting at the table with my husband's Arkansas sister who said with serious emphasis in her pronounced southern drawl, "It's really nice to have a president who doesn't speak with an accent."

<smiles>
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 07:56 pm
Oh, you're Wonder Woman now, Fox, btw Razz
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 11:18 am
Yes, I noticed that Nimh. Its nice to be acknowledged Smile

(I wonder if this is a permanent condition now though. If so I'm going to have to take extensive notes to be able to sort everybody out. Smile)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 11:50 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
<b>Wonder Woman</b> wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
<b>Bootsie Collins</b> wrote:
Hey Foxy, here's my likeability evidence from February 7, 2005



Fair point, but do you really think Jimmy Carter was more likeable than Gerald Ford?


Jimmy Carter's television persona came across as a lovable, cuddly, gentleman and most importantly, a Southern


I appreciated Jimmy being from the South, having a "fresh" face, and being an unabashed Christian. At the time, I also appreciated his being a Dem. (albeit slightly to the right of the Dem center).

Ford seemed to be stuck in another time (Remember WIN Gardens?) and he followed the noxious Nixon. Poor sod.

Hands down though, he was more likeable than the sanctimonious Jimmy.

Carter's presidency was a disaster, but he will get his posthumous props for his post-presidency activity. The good that he did do after he left office will, in a time when everyone will want to speak well of him, will overshadow his horrible presidency and his inane post-presidency meddling.

I really though that Clinton would be the first president to break the unwritten law about criticizing following presidents. I was wrong, it was Jimmy. Actually Clinton's been a lot quieter than I expected.


Agreed that Carter was somewhat right of center as most Southern Democrats were nearer to the mid 20th Century. I don't know what happened to Carter's conservatism or his integrity but both seemed to have suffered considerable damage as he has gotten older. Maybe it is because politics are so much more polarized now than they used to be and its hard for a Democrat to earn accolades from the GOP. In order to get them from the Democrats he had to swerve way Left. And I think he was hungry for any kind of accolades for some kind of legacy after his embarrasing second term defeat. He carried what--6 states and by the skin of his teeth in those - 49 to 489 electoral votes.

Not sure that Ford was the more personally likable of the two though. Ford didn't have that easy going, personable Southern charm that Carter was good at.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 03:33 pm
The Money Chase

As mentioned earlier, candidates in both parties have to report the results of fund raising for the 1st quater ending March 31st. Here are the results so far:
Romney: $23 mil
Giuliani: $15 mil (with $10 mil raised in March)
McCain: $12.5 mil
Brownback: $2 mil (including $.6 mil from his left-over Senate race)
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 07:42 pm
Wow, thats not much for McCain.

And its a hell of a lot for Romney. Thats almost as much as Hillary got.

(I read: Hillary $26 million, Edwards $14 million, Richardson $6 million, Dodd $4 million, Biden $3 million.)

Brownback gets less money than Biden or Dodd? Damn.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 07:44 pm
Cant help it, this made me LOL - and the laughing is mostly at Novak:

Quote:
REDEFINING "SOPHISTICATED":

"Sophisticated social conservative activists tell me they.... are coming to see [Fred] Thompson as the only conservative who can be nominated. Their appreciation of him stems not from his eight years as a U.S. senator from Tennessee but from his role as Manhattan district attorney on the TV series 'Law & Order.'"--Bob Novak, in today's Washington Post

Unsophisticated activists tend to give more weight to his performance in Aces: Iron Eagle III.

--Christopher Orr
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Apr, 2007 08:16 pm
The Money Chase - Page 2
This may cause yall's eyes to glaze over. I will will try to be brief. Folks who donate to a candidate must specify whether that money will be spent in the primaries (seeking the nomination) or in the general election (assuming the candidate wins the nomination). The numbers being released, as I understand it, don't differentiate.
So the giant sucking sound could be going out of the campaign of a candidate who is slumping in the primaries.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 07:56 am
nimh wrote:
Cant help it, this made me LOL - and the laughing is mostly at Novak:

Quote:
REDEFINING "SOPHISTICATED":

"Sophisticated social conservative activists tell me they.... are coming to see [Fred] Thompson as the only conservative who can be nominated. Their appreciation of him stems not from his eight years as a U.S. senator from Tennessee but from his role as Manhattan district attorney on the TV series 'Law & Order.'"--Bob Novak, in today's Washington Post

Unsophisticated activists tend to give more weight to his performance in Aces: Iron Eagle III.

--Christopher Orr


Martin Sheen for Prez!

Or Patrick Stewart -- if only he wasn't a damn limey...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 08:05 am
nimh wrote:
Cant help it, this made me LOL - and the laughing is mostly at Novak:

Quote:
REDEFINING "SOPHISTICATED":

"Sophisticated social conservative activists tell me they.... are coming to see [Fred] Thompson as the only conservative who can be nominated. Their appreciation of him stems not from his eight years as a U.S. senator from Tennessee but from his role as Manhattan district attorney on the TV series 'Law & Order.'"--Bob Novak, in today's Washington Post

Unsophisticated activists tend to give more weight to his performance in Aces: Iron Eagle III.

--Christopher Orr


Can't imagine wryness from a conservative pundit?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:09 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Can't imagine wryness from a conservative pundit?

Umm.. Bob Novak? Wry? About Fred Thompson?

You didnt read the column, did you?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:12 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
nimh wrote:
Cant help it, this made me LOL - and the laughing is mostly at Novak:

Quote:
REDEFINING "SOPHISTICATED":

"Sophisticated social conservative activists tell me they.... are coming to see [Fred] Thompson as the only conservative who can be nominated. Their appreciation of him stems not from his eight years as a U.S. senator from Tennessee but from his role as Manhattan district attorney on the TV series 'Law & Order.'"--Bob Novak, in today's Washington Post

Unsophisticated activists tend to give more weight to his performance in Aces: Iron Eagle III.

--Christopher Orr


Can't imagine wryness from a conservative pundit?


It's possible, regarding Novak, as "wry" constitutes pretty much the closest thing to happiness the fellow ever seems cabable of experiencing. But in this case, you'd be wrong..

Quote:
Sophisticated social conservative activists tell me they cannot vote for Giuliani under any conditions and have no rapport with McCain or Romney. They do not view Sen. Sam Brownback, representing the social right, as a viable candidate. They are coming to see Thompson as the only conservative who can be nominated. Their appreciation of him stems not from his eight years as a U.S. senator from Tennessee but from his role as Manhattan district attorney on the TV series " Law & Order." The part was molded to Thompson's specifications as a tough prosecutor, lending him political star power.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/01/AR2007040100810.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:17 am
I often agree with Paul Krugman, but I thought this was a particularly interesting take on the Republican race:

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/04/02/opinion/02krugman.html

(Let me know if the link doesn't work for you.)

Makes sense, and encouraging, if true.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:24 am
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Can't imagine wryness from a conservative pundit?

Umm.. Bob Novak? Wry? About Fred Thompson?

You didnt read the column, did you?


No I didn't.

I would have thought your quotes could stand on their own.

Having said this, I confess I misread your quotes, and believed they both were those of Novak.

Believe me I was somewhat surprised that Novak might exhibit wryness, but combine the two quotes under on attribution, and there it would be.

I now see my mistake, and acknowledge it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:27 am
I forgive you. I speak for everyone.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:40 am
For this once.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:45 am
Well shitt...if I'm limited to once, finn can rot in hell.
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