A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

Of course it isn't all that much different from the stupid stuff being posted on message boards all the time, but I think a video might have more emotional impact and the imagery probably sticks in the brain longer.

Foxfyre wrote:

Of course it isn't all that much different from the stupid stuff being posted on message boards all the time, but I think a video might have more emotional impact and the imagery probably sticks in the brain longer.

Until people notice it's really just another kind of spam, and start treating it as they today treat penis enlargement and vicodin e-mail. Moveon and the Swift Boat Veterans are sooo 2004.

Re that video: nimh asks on the Obama thread, why something he already posted here already on March 6 now gets the headlines all over the place.

Hey Foxfyre, where did you first learn about it? (Just curious, trying to figure out what's leading to the buzz now when it's been around for a while.)

If it bothers you so much, Walter, don't they have scroll keys on the computer mouse in Germany?

The issue is generating a lot of interest in a lot of different places and some of us think it is interesting to discuss. Is that all right with you?

I don't think Rudy Giuliani's high poll numbers are a fluke or solely a result of his stellar performance in New York on 9/11. I don't think they'll drop and stay down when more conservatives learn more about his past marriages or his position on abortion, despite the importance of those issues. I think many Bush supporters, former Bush supporters, and others are drawn to Rudy by a powerful intuitive feeling that he has something America needs badly, something they can't quite articulate yet, but feel strongly about. I think this feeling has its seedbed in a growing sense of unease and disappointment, not with George Bush as a man, or with his positions, but with his performance as a chief executive, and a gut-level sense that Rudy is a strong executive in precisely the ways in which Bush has, too often, proved to be a dishearteningly weak one. It is a sense that Rudy's kind of executive leadership is what a nation at war needs most at the moment, and will continue to need most in the tough years many of us see ahead.

Sorry to bounce between two threads, but it's nimh's list on the Obama thread (that Walter links to above) that I find interesting. Why is it in the news now? (As opposed to being discussed on websites.)

Fox and Friends could do it, I guess.

Isn't it obvious? It took the right-wing websites longer to catch on than the left-wing ones.

Newt Gingrich married his first wife Jackie when he was 19. She was loyal, faithful and helped put him through graduate school. He still dumped her later on and had the class to file for divorce while she was in hospital recovering from cancer surgery. LH Carter, his former campaign treasurer, recalls Gingrich saying of Jackie: "She's not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the president. And besides, she has cancer." He refused to pay alimony or child support.

His second marriage lasted almost two decades, but it broke up while he was having an affair with a staffer 23 years younger than him, to whom he is now married.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Isn't it obvious? It took the right-wing websites longer to catch on than the left-wing ones.

Hum, but, as Soz referenced already, its not just rightwing websites- see this listing I found on Google News today - all items from just the last day, when there'd been nothing much on it before, after the initial pick-ups by blogs.

But yeah, it does seem like its a combo of the Fox TV mentionings and the SF Chronicle article that's triggered of the new wave.

Curious though.

Not that I mind - I think the ad is brilliant!

Not that I mind - I think the ad is brilliant!

KING: There's an anti-Clinton ad out, which your campaign said it has nothing to do with, causing a stir on YouTube Internet site. It reuses footage from the famous 1984 Super Bowl for Apple Computer to slam Clinton and support Obama. Here's a look, and we'll get your comments.

(VIDEO CLIP IS PLAYED)

KING: Are you disclaiming -- what is your read on that?

OBAMA: Well, we knew nothing about it. I just saw it for the first time, and you know, one of the things about the Internet is, that people generate all kinds of stuff. In some ways, it's the democratization of the campaign process, but it's not something that we had anything to do with or were aware of, and that frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like this. It's pretty extraordinary.

BEYOND OUR BORDERS:

Mitt Romney and his wife were on 'Larry King Live' last week, and the former governor discussed his Mormon mission overseas:

Oh, it is a fabulous experience. Look, I was sort of having fun going to college and not worrying about the future. And then I went to a different country and saw how different life could be if we didn't have the values and the kinds of opportunities that exist in America.

It is indeed tragic that so much of the world doesn't have the same freedoms and conveniences that America does. Whole continents are filled with the scourges of disease and poverty. I'm just glad that Romney got a small taste of how so much of humanity actually lives.

Anyhow, where exactly was he?

I was in France. Bordeaux, Paris, all over France. A great learning experience to live overseas.

OOPS:

Great moments in cross-cultural confusion, from the Boston Herald:

Cubans in Miami are steaming mad at former Gov. Mitt Romney for shooting his mouth off in stumbling Spanish, mispronouncing names and erroneously associating a notorious Fidel Castro-spewed Communist catch phrase with freedom fighters. Politicians in South Florida have lashed out at the former Massachusetts governor and 2008 presidential hopeful for describing the socialist saying "Patria o muerte, venceremos" as "inspiring" and for claiming the phrase was swiped from liberty-seeking Cubans by leftist admirers of Castro. The phrase, which means "Fatherland or death, we shall overcome," was bellowed as a political speech sign-off by the dictator for decades.

"I just saw it for the first time", and "frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like this", huh.

I'm sure the ad is indeed not connected to the Obama campaign itself, but neither of those two statements sound very believable..