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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 11:59 am
McCain's inner circle...
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/mccains_inner_circle_revisited.html?nav=rss_blog
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 12:22 pm
You know you might have a problem when your own advisors wont support you...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/mccain-adviser.html

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ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On Wednesday, a top adviser to John McCain said more definitively than he has in the past that he will step down from the Arizona senator's presidential campaign if the presumed GOP nominee faces Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the general election.

"I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama," said McCain adviser Mark McKinnon in an interview with NPR's "All Things Considered." "I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign."


Its a short article, but rather interesting.
It makes me wonder what the McCain camp is planning if Obama wins the dem nomination.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 12:31 pm
Romney's endorsing McCain at 3:30 EST.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 12:45 pm
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BOOT ON McCAIN....I have to give Max Boot here
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....It is hard to see how Bush could reverse this decline in America's "fear factor" during the remaining year of his presidency. That will be the job of the next president. And who would be the most up to the task?

To answer that question, ask yourself which presidential candidate an Ahmadinejad, Assad or Kim would fear the most. I submit it is not Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee. In my (admittedly biased) opinion, the leading candidate to scare the snot out of our enemies is a certain former aviator who has been noted for his pugnacity and his unwavering support of the American war effort in Iraq.


There you have it. If you think the most important apect of a president is the ability to "scare the snot out of our enemies," then McCain's your guy.

Now, you might think that after seven years of trying exactly this, with only the current collapse in our fortunes to show for it, the neocon establishment might at least pause for a moment to wonder if there's more to foreign policy than scaring the snot out of our enemies. But no. The real problem, apparently, is simply that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administration wasn't good enough at it. Not bellicose enough. Not unilateral enough. Not warlike enough. What America needs is someone even more bloodthirsty than the crew that got us into this mess. Time to double down, folks.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_02/013105.php
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 01:08 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
okie wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

While I'm sure McCain and his campaign crew would love for the Roarers to just shut up (the hell with endorsing him), I don't think they are inflicting irreparable harm. Ditto-heads and the like might sit home if their heroes have not finally come around for McCain, but most Americans are just not following this stuff as closely as we are, and if there is anything that is sticking it's probably a positive impression. I doubt too many people who will seriously weigh McCain as a possible choice over either of the Democrats are going to turned off by the fact that the Roarers of The Right don't love McCain. More likely the opposite.

Why do you now commence to insult some of the largest and most informed talk show audiences in the country, Finn?


If you are a member of one or more of these audiences and feel insulted, I apologize.

Thanks, and to be accurate, I do not agree with any of these people all the time and I don't obtain my identity from these people. I listen to parts of their programs at various times and find them to voice opinions and beliefs that are fairly consistent with what I believe America is about.

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By "Ditto-Heads" I didn't mean all any and all of the audience of these pundits, but I do mean the sycophants that call in to tell Rush or Sean that they are the greatest Americans in the world, and decide what to believe by listening to these shows and determining what Rush and Sean believe.

I don't have any more respect for someone who allows themselves to be totally enthralled by a radio personality, because the personalities are conservative. This is not to say I believe you to be a thrall of Limbaugh or Hannity. If I did I would not have apologized.
I think you totally misjudge most of the listening audiences of talk shows. I agree Rush has an ego, which has caused his personal life to suffer, and Hannity's great American phrase for every caller is quite disagreeable to me as well, because how do you know they are a great American?

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I agree with Limbaugh and Hannity on a lot of issues, but then I agree with a lot of conservatives on a lot of issues. The difference, for me, between them and a lot of other conservatives is that they are self-absorbed, and have a sense of self-importance that I do not find appealing. Perhaps this is simply part of on-air personaes that have proven successful for them, but their on-air personaes are the only Limbaugh and Hannity I know.

I find laughable the notion that many liberals love to float; that they're somehow dangerous saboteurs of American democracy. I don't take the notion that they are omniscient super patriots very seriously either.
I tend to agree, they are what they are, but I do give them credit for reporting and emphasizing facets of the news and issues that are either not reported or mis-reported by other media.

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If come November they are encouraging their listeners to sit home rather than vote for McCain I will be displeased. If their listeners sit home rather than voting for McCain I will be displeased. I doubt that will matter to Limbaugh, Hannity or their followers, nor do I see why it should, but I may want to pop off about it in this forum.
Its called free speech, Finn, and these guys earn the influence they have by earning an audience based on the opinions and shows that they carry on. Be displeased if you want, but people deserve to have a voice through free speech. I would imagine that Limbaugh, Hannity, and others are intelligent enough to evaluate the election in the proper light, and will end up voting for McCain, and will probably counsel their listeners to do the same. But the fact remains McCain gained his reputation for a reason, and he must either own up to it or seek to change it. As much as McCain has angered many of us with some of his ---what I would consider stupid and ill advised opinions and actions, I fully recognize the man is far better than the socialist agenda of the Democratic Party.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 01:14 pm
mysteryman wrote:
You know you might have a problem when your own advisors wont support you...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/mccain-adviser.html

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ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On Wednesday, a top adviser to John McCain said more definitively than he has in the past that he will step down from the Arizona senator's presidential campaign if the presumed GOP nominee faces Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the general election.

"I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama," said McCain adviser Mark McKinnon in an interview with NPR's "All Things Considered." "I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign."


Its a short article, but rather interesting.
It makes me wonder what the McCain camp is planning if Obama wins the dem nomination.

This tends to confirm my belief all along that the love fest with McCain will end as soon as he starts running against a Democrat. Count the mainstream press in that category as well. Their fawning over McCain will end, and this I also count as part of McCain's naivety all along, he never understood the liberal mind, but he is fixing to understand it better when the shootin starts.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 01:20 pm
okie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
You know you might have a problem when your own advisors wont support you...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/mccain-adviser.html

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ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On Wednesday, a top adviser to John McCain said more definitively than he has in the past that he will step down from the Arizona senator's presidential campaign if the presumed GOP nominee faces Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the general election.

"I would simply be uncomfortable being in a campaign that would be inevitably attacking Barack Obama," said McCain adviser Mark McKinnon in an interview with NPR's "All Things Considered." "I think it would be uncomfortable for me, and I think it would be bad for the McCain campaign."


Its a short article, but rather interesting.
It makes me wonder what the McCain camp is planning if Obama wins the dem nomination.

This tends to confirm my belief all along that the love fest with McCain will end as soon as he starts running against a Democrat. Count the mainstream press in that category as well. Their fawning over McCain will end, and this I also count as part of McCain's naivety all along, he never understood the liberal mind, but he is fixing to understand it better when the shootin starts.


Reckon when he finds out that the liberals don't really love him, he'll be easier to convert to conservatism?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 01:22 pm
Thats assuming McCain does not start talking like a Democrat, so as to gain favor on that side of things, after he figures he has mended fences with conservatives. Who knows?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 01:30 pm
The Republicans just walked out of the House of Reps., as they knew they were going to lose the Contempt resolutions against Harriet Meirs and Bolten today, and also were going to lose the FISA vote. Boehner is making an ass out of himself in a press conference, as the Dems are busy passing bills inside.

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 03:29 pm
sozobe wrote:
Romney's endorsing McCain at 3:30 EST.


Will be interesting to see how many delegates swing to John.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 03:35 pm
Brand X wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Romney's endorsing McCain at 3:30 EST.


Will be interesting to see how many delegates swing to John.


And also interesting to see if this is the signal of a McCain/Romney ticket.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:28 pm
How about Hillary and Barack versus John and Mitt?

Wouldn't that be loverly?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 05:48 pm
ican711nm wrote:
How about Hillary and Barack versus John and Mitt?

Wouldn't that be loverly?


The thing I've never been able to reconcile in my mind, though, is how candidates can reconcile their very different differences sufficiently to forge themselves into a unified ticket without both looking like jackasses.

There's a huge difference between setting aside "I can do anything better than you" and "A supports red tiddlywinks while B supports blue tiddlywinks."

I know our New Mexico governor wants a Veep appointment so bad he can taste it, and that would be much less of a compromise for either Hillary or Barack. I'm sure there are others who would also accept a bid from either camp.

McCain might have already cut a deal with Mitt in order to snag Mitt's delegates, but to me it would make a whole lot more sense to have a McCain/Powell ticket or McCain/some rising star ticket rather than a McCain/Romney ticket that brings strong negatives from both to the table. I think McCain is going to have to bring down his negatives in order to win in November against anybody.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:31 pm
McCains son home from Iraq...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/14/mccains-marine-son-returns-from-iraq-2/

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So, not only is he supporting the war effort, his son actually served in Iraq.

Does this give him more credence with the anti-war crowd?
After all, many of them have been saying that if a politician supports the war, they should be willing to send their own kids.

I dont know how you can "send" your adult kids to war, not unless they VOLUNTEER, but since McCains son has served in Iraq, maybe we can put that silly argument from the anti-war crowd to rest!
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:36 pm
http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/080212/keefe.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:37 pm
mysteryman wrote:
McCains son home from Iraq...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/14/mccains-marine-son-returns-from-iraq-2/

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So, not only is he supporting the war effort, his son actually served in Iraq.

Does this give him more credence with the anti-war crowd?
After all, many of them have been saying that if a politician supports the war, they should be willing to send their own kids.

I dont know how you can "send" your adult kids to war, not unless they VOLUNTEER, but since McCains son has served in Iraq, maybe we can put that silly argument from the anti-war crowd to rest!


That McCain himself served, and that his son is serving, both give McCain a credibility in policies on war which Bush, Cheney, Bolton and all the rest in this administration and within the neoconservative community who helped drive the administration in that direction are lacking.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:39 pm
Coulter was on Fox tonight, in a shouting match with Hannity. My heart soars like an eage.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:41 pm
blatham wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
McCains son home from Iraq...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/14/mccains-marine-son-returns-from-iraq-2/

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So, not only is he supporting the war effort, his son actually served in Iraq.

Does this give him more credence with the anti-war crowd?
After all, many of them have been saying that if a politician supports the war, they should be willing to send their own kids.

I dont know how you can "send" your adult kids to war, not unless they VOLUNTEER, but since McCains son has served in Iraq, maybe we can put that silly argument from the anti-war crowd to rest!


That McCain himself served, and that his son is serving, both give McCain a credibility in policies on war which Bush, Cheney, Bolton and all the rest in this administration and within the neoconservative community who helped drive the administration in that direction are lacking.


So are you saying that nobody in "this administration and within the neoconservative community" EVER served in the military?

Thats a rather broad statement to make, isnt it.
After all, there are thousands of people serving in what could be called "executive branch" positions, so they can be considered part of this administration.

Are you actually saying that none of them ever served?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:41 pm
blatham wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
McCains son home from Iraq...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/14/mccains-marine-son-returns-from-iraq-2/

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So, not only is he supporting the war effort, his son actually served in Iraq.

Does this give him more credence with the anti-war crowd?
After all, many of them have been saying that if a politician supports the war, they should be willing to send their own kids.

I dont know how you can "send" your adult kids to war, not unless they VOLUNTEER, but since McCains son has served in Iraq, maybe we can put that silly argument from the anti-war crowd to rest!


That McCain himself served, and that his son is serving, both give McCain a credibility in policies on war which Bush, Cheney, Bolton and all the rest in this administration and within the neoconservative community who helped drive the administration in that direction are lacking.


So are you saying that nobody in "this administration and within the neoconservative community" EVER served in the military?

Thats a rather broad statement to make, isnt it.
After all, there are thousands of people serving in what could be called "executive branch" positions, so they can be considered part of this administration.

Are you actually saying that none of them ever served?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:41 pm
blatham wrote:
Coulter was on Fox tonight, in a shouting match with Hannity. My heart soars like an eage.



::::airlifts an L up to the eage so can fLy:::
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