A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

If you look at NRO and the WSJ, you'll find that they are continuing to move towards the Kubler-Ross fifth stage of grief...acceptance.

0 Replies

Two very good articles relating to McCain

Quote:

John McCain is more conservative on more issues than average Americans are. By every standard measure (voting record and ratings, positions on major issues), McCain is conservative. Unlike his critics on the right, however, he is no ideological purist; he is conservative, but he is not what the pollsters call "very conservative." That is one obvious reason why
he has such wide appeal. For even in our decidedly right-leaning mass electorate, few Americans, including few Republicans, answer to "very conservative."

The 3.6 Percent Republicans

Quote:

That little bit of self-reflection--"I've always kind of relished the fight"--probably better explains John McCain's unusual political life and curious ideological journey than anything an outside observer has ever said or written. McCain has been described as a "maverick" so often that writers consciously avoid the cliché. Yet it's still true.

McCain's Bumpy Ride

0 Replies

What does McCain truly want to conserve?

0 Replies

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Two very good articles relating to McCain

Quote:
John McCain is more conservative on more issues than average Americans are. By every standard measure (voting record and ratings, positions on major issues), McCain is conservative. Unlike his critics on the right, however, he is no ideological purist; he is conservative, but he is not what the pollsters call "very conservative." That is one obvious reason why
he has such wide appeal. For even in our decidedly right-leaning mass electorate, few Americans, including few Republicans, answer to "very conservative."

The 3.6 Percent Republicans

Quote:
That little bit of self-reflection--"I've always kind of relished the fight"--probably better explains John McCain's unusual political life and curious ideological journey than anything an outside observer has ever said or written. McCain has been described as a "maverick" so often that writers consciously avoid the cliché. Yet it's still true.

McCain's Bumpy Ride

McCain has a shaky record on preserving the traditional definition of marriage which is a serious plank among that 'far religious right' group to whom the liberals assign so much power. For conservatives, he is also shaky on immigration and the economy which are two biggies. In McCain's favor is that he does high a pretty high conservative rating overall and I don't think any of us want somebody so intractable that he or or she would have won a 100% conservative rating.

Rush Limbaugh is on our local #1 news station so is running in the background in my office this morning. I just happened to catch him joining with Ann Coulter in saying that if we're going to elect a liberal anyway, we might as well elect the Democrat and let the crap hit the fan on their watch instead of ours. He didn't mention Coulter when he said it, and he was just as tongue in cheek as she was, but he did get the point across perhaps better than she did.

I still trust McCain to elect a competent Supreme Court justice more than I trust Hillary or Obama to do that though.

0 Replies

My primary objections to McCain include McCain Feingold, a poor record on immigration, backstabbing Republicans repeatedly, loving a fawning press when he habitually criticizes other Republicans for his own benefit, Gang of 14, and other day to day stuff. What he has done and said generally convince me he is not very smart in terms of policy and does not have appropriate solutions to the problems. He is a media hound, first and foremost.

Another biggie is that McCain has a temper and he is vindictive, not the type of guy fit to be president. Other than that, he loves this country, which in and of itself causes me to think I might be able to vote for him over any Democrat, but I certainly won't be excited about it. Also, by the time the general election gets here, he will have had to claim he is so conservative in order to have a chance to win, that perhaps the conservative wing of the party might hold some sway over him if elected. However, he is not one to keep promises in that regard and would most likely do whatever he pleases regardless of what he promised.

0 Replies

okie wrote:

Another biggie is that McCain has a temper and he is vindictive

As opposed to Bush and Cheney?

okie wrote:

Other than that, he loves this country, which in and of itself causes me to think I might be able to vote for him over any Democrat

Democrats dont love their country?

0 Replies

okie wrote:

Also, by the time the general election gets here, he will have had to claim he is so conservative in order to have a chance to win, that perhaps the conservative wing of the party might hold some sway over him if elected.

I disagree with you here. McCain will stand his best chance of winning by moving towards the middle. He will have to claim he is a fiscal conservative, which I don't think will be too difficult. His stance on campaign finance reform will be popular with independent voters as well. His Gang of 14 position was the popular choice nationwide.

There's a reason why those candidates who you would consider conservative (Thompson?.......and who else?) didn't go anywhere.

0 Replies

nimh wrote:

okie wrote:
Another biggie is that McCain has a temper and he is vindictive

As opposed to Bush and Cheney?

okie wrote:
Other than that, he loves this country, which in and of itself causes me to think I might be able to vote for him over any Democrat

Democrats dont love their country?

No, Bush Cheney are pretty reasonable people. I'm not saying McCain is a terrible guy, but he just does not have the temperament I am looking for in a president.

Love of country, Democrats have a love of country, but it is different. They want to make America into something quite a bit different than what it is, for example both speak all the time about change, which I think is a buzzword for incrementalism toward a more socialistic state. I believe the Democratic Party is committed to a more European model of government. Democrats do not inspire on the positive aspects of American, but instead routinely demagogue the unfairness of everything, and promise more equity, translation, more socialism.

Perhaps all of this is such a shock to you that some of us here see this as plain as day, and that some people just don't agree with you and the Democrats. We Americans are individuals and we don't all think the same way. I am personally tired of politicians that promise heaven to every citizen, sorry, I think people have personal responsibility besides government guarantieeing everything. We hear precious little about personal responsibility anymore, and that is what makes America what it is.

0 Replies

maporsche wrote:

okie wrote:
Also, by the time the general election gets here, he will have had to claim he is so conservative in order to have a chance to win, that perhaps the conservative wing of the party might hold some sway over him if elected.

I disagree with you here. McCain will stand his best chance of winning by moving towards the middle. He will have to claim he is a fiscal conservative, which I don't think will be too difficult. His stance on campaign finance reform will be popular with independent voters as well. His Gang of 14 position was the popular choice nationwide.

There's a reason why those candidates who you would consider conservative (Thompson?.......and who else?) didn't go anywhere.

The conservative base of the Republican party is very important. So far, McCain has won mostly by using independent voters and has not had much more than about 35% of the vote. He is a media darling right now, but once we enter the general election cycle, the media will turn against him, and he will have a very tough time getting conservatives excited to vote, unless things change drastically. His best chance would be to pick a solid conservative as his running mate, but McCain will have a very tough time overcoming his problems with conservatives. Many people would just as soon let the Democrat win, sit back, and watch them run the country into the ground.

As far as which way McCain moves, he will try to triangulate as the conservative, but maverick at the same time, to appeal to both liberals and conservatives, which will be very difficult to do in a way to win. I think a significant portion of Republicans could stay home or vote for the Democrat just out of frustration.

0 Replies

Quote:

Many people would just as soon let the Democrat win, sit back, and watch them run the country into the ground.

Certainly an interesting take on conservative patriotism.

0 Replies

Well, if someone is hellbent on doing it, I at least don't want to be a part of it.

0 Replies

okie wrote:

We Americans are individuals and we don't all think the same way.

As opposed to we Europeans, who are not individuals, and all think the same way.

Come on Okie...

0 Replies

nimh wrote:

okie wrote:
We Americans are individuals and we don't all think the same way.

As opposed to we Europeans, who are not individuals, and all think the same way.

Come on Okie...

Point granted, but I am just reminding you that you can't generalize what people think over here, based on A2k. If you take this forum too seriously as some kind of indicator of what is going on here, you come up with a very wrong conclusion. We aren't all a bunch of Obama groupees or Clinton koolaid drinkers.

0 Replies

dyslexia wrote:

Quote:
Many people would just as soon let the Democrat win, sit back, and watch them run the country into the ground.
Certainly an interesting take on conservative patriotism.

No patriotism at all, which is precisely what you are implying.

Your right on this one Dys.

Assuming McCain wins the nomination, any conservative who stays home on Election Day or, worse yet, votes for Clinton or Obama in the hope that McCain will lose, is a petty fool.

Anyone who does it because they are convinced the Democrat will run the country into the ground and thereby set the stage for a reemergence of a "True Conservative" candidate in 2012 is something far removed from a patriot

0 Replies

Democrats run it into the ground. ROFL

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

Democrats run it into the ground. ROFL

Yeah because there's no past history of that.

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

Democrats run it into the ground. ROFL

We'd know more about what they did if Sandy Burglar hadn't stuffed documents in his socks and carried them out of the National Archives.

Also, why won't millions of documents relating to Hilly / Billy's years in WH be released til long after the election? Because they are blocking them.

0 Replies

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Quote:
Many people would just as soon let the Democrat win, sit back, and watch them run the country into the ground.
Certainly an interesting take on conservative patriotism.

No patriotism at all, which is precisely what you are implying.

Your right on this one Dys.

Assuming McCain wins the nomination, any conservative who stays home on Election Day or, worse yet, votes for Clinton or Obama in the hope that McCain will lose, is a petty fool.

Anyone who does it because they are convinced the Democrat will run the country into the ground and thereby set the stage for a reemergence of a "True Conservative" candidate in 2012 is something far removed from a patriot

You are being less than fair about that. You imply that at the margins, some people don't stay home because they simply aren't that engaged in supporting either of the candidates. I have already said I may vote for McCain, but I won't be that enthusiastic, and why should I be if I am not that impressed with the man?

Why should I be a party to something that I don't agree with, if I decide not to vote? If neither option is a positive one, just one being not as good as the other, I may not feel like voting for it. A non-vote is also a vote for neither one.

It all depends upon my observation of what happens between now and November. If I don't care much for either one, I won't vote for either one, and not voting does not imply a lack of patriotism, I think you owe an apology.

0 Replies

Super Tuesday here in Arizona. I'll vote for McCain this morning, and I'll be attending his election night party tonight.

0 Replies

okie wrote:

nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
We Americans are individuals and we don't all think the same way.

As opposed to we Europeans, who are not individuals, and all think the same way.

Come on Okie...

Point granted, but I am just reminding you that you can't generalize what people think over here, based on A2k. If you take this forum too seriously as some kind of indicator of what is going on here, you come up with a very wrong conclusion.

Oh I wont ever mistake A2K for US society overall! Smile

0 Replies

A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know