A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

Rush/Hannity doesn't convince alot of people, if that was true, McCain would have lost a long time ago. I make up my own mind, thank you very much, dys. My opinion, as most people's opinions, have formed over a long period of time, and this applies to John McCain.

Funny little thing here about all of this, I decided Romney was the most logical sounding one of the whole stable of Republicans long before Hannity and Rush seem to have come to the same conclusion. They were supporting others, Giuliani by Hannity, which I never agreed with, and Rush never supported anyone, but leaned toward Thompson until he saw he had no chance. In my opinion, Thompson was okay, but I figured he was out of it for a number of reasons. Neither one of them officially supported anyone, but this is what I gathered by reading between the lines, and I think other people would agree.

I think you might want to consider the possibility that the Republican Party, belatedly in relation to the rest of the american population, is moving away from the extremist positions which have dominated it for the last two decades. "True conservatism" is being redefined towards the more moderate meanings which the term used to refer to. sorry.

blatham wrote:

I think you might want to consider the possibility that the Republican Party, belatedly in relation to the rest of the american population, is moving away from the extremist positions which have dominated it for the last two decades. "True conservatism" is being redefined towards the more moderate meanings which the term used to refer to. sorry.

Funny you mention "extremist positions." Perhaps you would be so kind as to describe what extremist positions the Republicans have advocated.

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are HL Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

NRO: John McCain=Benedict Arnold?

Our friends over at National Review clearly prefer Romney, but as Romney's prospects fade that support has begun to mutate in to what some are calling McCain Derangement Syndrome. Yesterday at the Corner, this post questioned McCain's competence based on the fact that he'd lost five aircraft during his time as an aviator. (You can see a description of each incident here, hosted by the ridiculous Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.) Today, Thomas Sowell takes a turn:

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When confronted with any of his misdeeds, Senator McCain tends to fall back on his record as a war hero in Vietnam.

Let's talk sense. Benedict Arnold was a war hero but that did not exempt him from condemnation for his later betrayal.

The passage speaks for itself, but the point to make here is that if McCain's critics want to have a debate over who would make the best commander in chief, what the candidates did at age 30 is largely irrelevant--and to the extent that it is relevant, it's not a debate that they can win. Still, every time they question his patriotism--which this passage most certainly does--they not only discredit their own arguments, but they play to McCain's strength. And it's just plain creepy.

I'm afraid you are another one, foxfyre. There is likely no argument nor any species of evidence that I might advance which would alter your (or okie's) mindset on this question. That's clearly established over a few years of talking with you.

There's no real solution here other than just watching as the american electorate themselves continue to reject the extremism that marks your movement. You've lost the youth vote, you've lost the latino vote, and you are once again losing the independents and moderates. It will likely be another 30 years before americans' memory of this horrid period that has just passed will dim enough such that some new version of right wing extremism again looks appealing.

You forgot peace through war and tax cuts for the richest.

Cycloptichorn

Btw: Extremist positions that drive independents away are the far Right's desires to:
Make abortion illegal.
Deport over 10 million people.
Prevent stem cell research.
Outlaw Gay marriage and even civil unions.

I don't much care what Eisenhower would or wouldn't have thought about anyting today. I'm answering as an independent looking at the Extreme positions of some Republicans. They can't have my vote.

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