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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 10:20 pm
Blatham has an unmatched ability to see into the black hearts of Republicans and conservatives of all stripes and to grasp their evil thoughts and motives.

It is unfortunate that this ability of his fails utterly among others of a more friendly (to him) disposition.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 10:26 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Blatham has an unmatched ability to see into the black hearts of Republicans and conservatives of all stripes and to grasp their evil thoughts and motives.

It is unfortunate that this ability of his fails utterly among others of a more friendly (to him) disposition.


Oh, bullcrap.
It IS very interesting that rightwing talking heads like Limbaugh are so tounge-tied with McCain as the looming nominee. That's all Blatham was pointing out - and it doesn't take any psychic ability to "look into the black hearts" of anyone to see it. It just takes uncommon denseness to miss it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:23 pm
snood wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Blatham has an unmatched ability to see into the black hearts of Republicans and conservatives of all stripes and to grasp their evil thoughts and motives.

It is unfortunate that this ability of his fails utterly among others of a more friendly (to him) disposition.


Oh, bullcrap.
It IS very interesting that rightwing talking heads like Limbaugh are so tounge-tied with McCain as the looming nominee. That's all Blatham was pointing out - and it doesn't take any psychic ability to "look into the black hearts" of anyone to see it. It just takes uncommon denseness to miss it.


It's not "bullcrap," snood ... it's a very honest and accurate assessment. And if blatham had even a shred of the honesty he claims to be primarily interested in, he'd admit it.

If you think "that's all blatham was pointing out," then you probably need to reread what he wrote.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:26 pm
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:34 pm
blatham wrote:
For the first time since Mitt decided to dress down and pretend to social conservative values, I almost liked him tonight. He doesn't have that pitbull thing in his personality, it seems.

So maybe one positive about him losing is that - given his elastic 'principles' along with his nice-guyness - he might well have been, as president, a fairly easy target for manipulation by the far more unsavory elements who populate the modern washington republican universe.

You like Romney if you think he is going to lose. And you are wrong to say Romney is a pushover, in my opinion.

Romney is clearly the sharpest candidate on the stage, and clearly corrected poor Mr Washington insider, Mr. McCain on a few points. McCain has loved to chastise the upstart Romney for misrepresenting his record, but turnabout is fair play, and Romney has a far better command on facts, figures, and what is going on in government.

My primary complaint with Romney is he should just lay back and let McCain talk, then blast him with facts when given his time, but don't appear so anxious during the debate while McCain has his say. And I am tired of both Romney and McCain talking up their own credentials, let the rest of us decide that, but instead lay out your experience without making grand pronouncements about how great you will be, so I think Paul and Huckabee come across better in that regard. Romney is young and will get better with that with some age and experience, but for McCain it is too late to change.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:52 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn


Honest? Honesty in the sense of agreeing with the way you view things? You mean "honest" in the sense of saying Rush is a demon spawn? What "honesty" are you seeking?

Leftists are a pain in the ass to conservatives. Obviously a good number of them like listening to Rush spank leftists on a daily basis. What's so hard to figure out?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:09 am
As a conservative, I get tired of watching and listening to ignorant and obviously biased liberal news announcers and pundits. I enjoy listening to some intelligent analysis of news and politics once in a while. Plus there is more substance in those shows than a so-called news program that may spend much of their time talking about celebrities and their latest adventures.

By the way, people like Limbaugh and Hannity criticize Republicans on a fairly regular basis, in regard to some issues especially.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:15 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn


Honest? Honesty in the sense of agreeing with the way you view things? You mean "honest" in the sense of saying Rush is a demon spawn? What "honesty" are you seeking?

Leftists are a pain in the ass to conservatives. Obviously a good number of them like listening to Rush spank leftists on a daily basis. What's so hard to figure out?


Honest that they make their money off of the politics of attack, vitriol and hate.

You as much as admitted it in your last post - what you call 'spanking leftists.' It's exactly what I mean. As long as hateful speech and vitriol is directed against Leftists, you lap it right up.

But when they make outrageous, sexist, racist, or other perfidious comments, you - and I mean this in the general sense, naturally - deny that it has anything to do with the Republican party whatsoever. It's patently and transparently false.

There exists no corollary on the left. Oh, it isn't that there aren't hateful leftists - of course there are! But we do not reward them as you do. Failure to admit these facts - that these people are actively vile much of the time, that Republicans enjoy listening to them and reward them handsomely for it, and that there is no group of leftists who are similar - is the dishonesty displayed by Republicans.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 01:00 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn


Honest? Honesty in the sense of agreeing with the way you view things? You mean "honest" in the sense of saying Rush is a demon spawn? What "honesty" are you seeking?

Leftists are a pain in the ass to conservatives. Obviously a good number of them like listening to Rush spank leftists on a daily basis. What's so hard to figure out?


Honest that they make their money off of the politics of attack, vitriol and hate.

You as much as admitted it in your last post - what you call 'spanking leftists.' It's exactly what I mean. As long as hateful speech and vitriol is directed against Leftists, you lap it right up.


"Spanking leftists" = "hateful speech" in your world, not mine.

Yes, Rush makes his living spending a good portion of his day spanking leftists. This is not news.

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But when they make outrageous, sexist, racist, or other perfidious comments, you - and I mean this in the general sense, naturally - deny that it has anything to do with the Republican party whatsoever. It's patently and transparently false.


This is just silly. Rush speaks his mind, and he has a following. Sometimes I agree with him, very often I do not. He is not a mouthpiece of the Republican party, any more than Jon Stewart is a mouthpiece of the Democratic party.

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There exists no corollary on the left. Oh, it isn't that there aren't hateful leftists - of course there are! But we do not reward them as you do. Failure to admit these facts - that these people are actively vile much of the time, that Republicans enjoy listening to them and reward them handsomely for it, and that there is no group of leftists who are similar - is the dishonesty displayed by Republicans.


Failure to admit WHAT facts? This is utter nonsense. But rather than spend any more time arguing with you about this silly position of yours, let me take a different approach. So what?

So you think Republicans "reward" Rush for being "hateful." Oooh! Big ****ing deal.

There ... how's that "honesty" for you?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 01:12 am
Confirmation is always nice to hear.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 01:44 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Blatham has an unmatched ability to see into the black hearts of Republicans and conservatives of all stripes and to grasp their evil thoughts and motives.

It is unfortunate that this ability of his fails utterly among others of a more friendly (to him) disposition.


Not "republicans and conservatives of all stripes", george. You are one 'stripe' and there's nothing evil about you. All you are guilty of is nationalist blindness and industrial-strength complacency.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 10:29 am
Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31house.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:49 am
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McCain: Greedy people should be punished
When the Wall Street Journal reports that Republicans are in danger of losing support in the Florida Panhandle, you know trouble is brewing for the GOP. How the World Works spent its high school years in northern Florida, and the Panhandle is as rock-ribbed a slice of conservative deep South as you will find in either adjoining Alabama or Mississippi.

"A toxic brew of economic anxiety, a deepening housing slump, skyrocketing home insurance, strained schools and the lingering effects of recent hurricanes have spawned a gloomy mood in Florida," writes the Journal's Corey Dade.

But do Republican opinion-makers understand this? Watching the bloggers at the National Review's "The Corner" during Wednesday's Republican debate, you couldn't ignore the feeling that the right-wing elite simply don't understand the mess they're in, or why Senator John McCain has been winning primaries.

Witness one representative comment:


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Yeah, Senator, That's the Problem [Andy McCarthy]

McCain: "There are some greedy people on Wall Street who need to be punished."

Is he our guy, or what?



Trust me, the sarcasm there is so thick you couldn't push through it in a turbo-powered Humvee.

For the despairing folks at the National Review, McCain's threat to punish the greedy is proof of his GOP-values-betraying pro-big government proclivities. But to anyone paying attention to what's going on in the United States at the moment, it might just seem like exactly the message voters want to hear.

And it's not even pandering! It's the truth. And if McCain keeps it up, he's going to be a formidable opponent for whoever the Democrats nominate.
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/?last_story=/tech/htww/2008/01/31/mccain_greedy/
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:52 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn


I'm a Republican and I've never contributed to the "cushy lives" of any of the "political mouthpieces" to whom you apparently refer. Moreover they don't speak for me.

I haven't accused you of supporting the cushy lives of the now defunct Al Franken or any of the other - equivalent - media voices of the left. Nor have I suggested they speak for you or other Democrats - or anyone but themselves..

I note the inconsistency implicit in your sweeping - and vitriolic -denunciations ... "None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest...", and wonder just what it is that motivates it.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 11:54 am
observation of objective fact?



just sayin'...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:03 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest about the nature of your political mouthpieces. I've never heard a good explanation as to why these people enjoy such a popular status amongst Republicans, and are given comfortable and cushy lives by Republicans - on the backs of vitriol, constant vitriol.

Cycloptichorn


I'm a Republican and I've never contributed to the "cushy lives" of any of the "political mouthpieces" to whom you apparently refer. Moreover they don't speak for me.

I haven't accused you of supporting the cushy lives of the now defunct Al Franken or any of the other - equivalent - media voices of the left. Nor have I suggested they speak for you or other Democrats - or anyone but themselves..

I note the inconsistency implicit in your sweeping - and vitriolic -denunciations ... "None of you Republicans has the ability to be honest...", and wonder just what it is that motivates it.


Al Franken is a comedian and I'm proud to call him a fellow Democrat. And he makes his living attacking the right-wing media, not Conservatives themselves, unlike Rush and Coulter and their ilk on talk radio. He isn't a corollary to them and truly, if he is the best example you can come up with, you don't have a good argument that any corollary exists.

And there's not even a question of equivalence. The money involved isn't even close.

Snood is right. While you personally may not be a purveyor of the vitriol - and I do believe you when you say that - the Republican party most certainly is. And it doesn't reflect well that this is true.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:04 pm
I'm watching Schwartenegger's endorsement of McCain now -- one thing I do like about the guy is his emphasis on doing something about global warming. (The endorsement is happening in a factory that produces solar panels.)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:05 pm
sozobe wrote:
I'm watching Schwartenegger's endorsement of McCain now -- one thing I do like about the guy is his emphasis on doing something about global warming. (The endorsement is happening in a factory that produces solar panels.)


Is it the Nanosolar factory?

Right on!

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:08 pm
"Solar Integrated."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:10 pm
Oooh, nice.

He's talking to global warming doubters.

Suppose we're wrong... all we do is give our children a cleaner planet. But suppose we're right?

(Drastic paraphrase, I'll try to find the transcript later.)
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