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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 09:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
They are power hungry, and will follow in the footsteps of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.

I'm afraid the American voter is not too wise, and may elect him as president.

Amazing. And by the way, where is your faith in Hillary?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 09:40 pm
Faith in Hillary? ROFLMAO
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 09:53 pm
Why are you laughing, imposter? Hillary would not appreciate that at all. Besides, I thought she had this in the can already?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 10:02 pm
nimh

If you haven't picked up Krugman's new book yet, I recommend it. The Club for Growth ideology and history is a central aspect to Krugman's analysis.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 02:18 am
blatham wrote:
If you haven't picked up Krugman's new book yet, I recommend it.

Me too. It's a rare book that Bernie and I both recommend. So when we do, that's pretty strong evidence it must be good.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 07:17 am
Thomas wrote:
blatham wrote:
If you haven't picked up Krugman's new book yet, I recommend it.

Me too. It's a rare book that Bernie and I both recommend. So when we do, that's pretty strong evidence it must be good.


Though, as I recall, we both found Der Fleidermunschenstott Ust Mein Himmel a gripping read.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 07:37 am
thomas

I expect you have noted how Easton's "gang of five" compliments particular strands in PK's analysis? I haven't found a citation to her book from PK and perhaps I'll write him a note in case he hasn't bumped into it. Of course, there is the early 70s College Republican story that both books spend some time on but I think just as important is Eastman's chapter on Clint Bollick in relation to Krugman's findings on the centrality of race in the rise of the New Conservative Movement.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 06:37 am
Quote:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/paul-supporters-raise-27-in-a-day/index.html?hp
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 08:11 am
Paul Vigurie has come out in support of Romney. On the other hand, there's this...
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"A vote for Romney is a vote for Satan"
Some members of the GOP's largest voting bloc, like Florida preacher Bill Keller, think a Mormon in the White House would mean more souls going to hell.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/06/mormons/index.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 08:20 am
It's a bit hard to imagine both Rudy and Mitt getting knocked down not least because of the deep pockets backing them. But McCain continues to be in this equation and Huckabe is too. The thought occured to me today that, if they made it through to the general, a McCain/Huckabee ticket might be quite attractive to conservative voters and moderates as well.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 09:36 am


Typically smart, from Greenwald...
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There are, relatively speaking, very few people who agree with most of Paul's policy positions. In fact, a large portion of Americans -- perhaps most -- will find something in his litany of beliefs with which they not only disagree, but vehemently so. Paul has a coherent political world-view and states his positions clearly and unapologetically, without hedges, and that approach naturally ensures greater disagreement than the form of please-everyone obfuscation which drives most candidates.

Paul, of course, is not only in favor of immediate withdrawal from Iraq, but also emphatically opposes the crux of America's bipartisan foreign policy consensus. He reserves his greatest scorn for America's hegemonic rule of the world through superior military force, i.e., its acting as an empire in order to prop up its entangling alliances and enduring conflicts -- what George Washington lamented as "permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others."

And Paul is as vigilant a defender of America's constitutional freedoms -- and as faithful an observer of the constitutional limitations on government power designed to preserve those freedoms -- as any national political figure in some time. In one interview, Paul put it this way:

As a matter of fact, if you look at every single problem we're facing today, it's because of the lack of respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/06/paul/
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 11:29 am
blatham wrote:
thomas

I expect you have noted how Easton's "gang of five" compliments particular strands in PK's analysis? I haven't found a citation to her book from PK and perhaps I'll write him a note in case he hasn't bumped into it. Of course, there is the early 70s College Republican story that both books spend some time on but I think just as important is Eastman's chapter on Clint Bollick in relation to Krugman's findings on the centrality of race in the rise of the New Conservative Movement.

Why not? Krugman is pretty responsive to constructive criticism from readers.

blatham wrote:
As a matter of fact, if you look at every single problem we're facing today, it's because of the lack of respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/06/paul/

But this nation is at war man. Between Iraq and them terrorists, America has enough trouble without unpatriotic Democrats like Ron Paul sabotaging the commander in chief.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:34 am
Pat Robertson has endorsed Rudy. Shocked
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:50 am
Thomas: But this nation is at war man. Between Iraq and them terrorists, America has enough trouble without unpatriotic Democrats like Ron Paul sabotaging the commander in chief.


Bush sabotaged himself; his approval rating is 27 percent.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:54 am
Brand X wrote:
Pat Robertson has endorsed Rudy. Shocked


And, as I noted on one thread somewhere yesterday, Viguerie is supporting the Mormon.

Surely, the End Days are near.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:56 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Thomas: But this nation is at war man. Between Iraq and them terrorists, America has enough trouble without unpatriotic Democrats like Ron Paul sabotaging the commander in chief.


Bush sabotaged himself; his approval rating is 27 percent.

It seems you couldn't see irony if it hit you on the head with a baseball bat. Did I ever strike you as a Bush defender?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:58 am
Let's not get violent here, Thomas.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 10:04 am
I've just had a visual image, the first time I've had this one, of CI sailing over the center field fence.

If this happens, of course CI will be worth more if autographed.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 10:07 am
I'll remember to bring a pen the next time I'm in Silicon Valley.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 10:19 am
Well Cicerone is indeed a graduate of the "READY, FIRE, AIM school of shooting. He's really a good guy - interesting, interested and affable, but has a very short fuse and a ready retort.

Thomas has all the ingredients of a Bush defender (i.e. skepticism of liberal cant, a realistic view of economics, and the intelligence to see past the obvious). However, he does indeed go to great lengths to demonstrate his serious hostility to the Bush Administration. I have always felt it was a bit of an anomaly in him. Perhaps it is something in the Munich beer.

I like them both, despite their flaws.
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