Is this board anti-muslim?

What did I say that was inconsistent with what you said? People can attack Muslims for more than one reason, be it anti-religion or anti-muslim.

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"I'm Anti-Islam, and proud of it!" All of the Muslim men are violent, and should be punished for they'er crimes against women and Christian's.

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I think those on the right aren't nearly forthright when owning up to the level of anti-muslim crap they will tolerate (and promote).

Racism Thrives
By SHARON SMITH

Those who worry that the world's Arab and Muslim populations pose a threat to free speech in Western democracies need not fear. The first Amendment remains intact-particularly, it seems, when it comes to the "right" to inflict racial slurs. Indeed, the last few weeks have witnessed a spate of pundits and politicians exercising their right to freely engage in racist demagoguery against Arabs and Muslims without repercussion.

Celebrity hatemonger Ann Coulter did not disappoint the rabid crowd at the annual gathering of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, D.C. last month. The highlight of Coulter's address, sandwiched between speeches by Dick Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Newt Gingrich, was, "I think our motto should be post-9-11, 'raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.'" Journalist Max Blumenthal remarked, "This declaration prompted a boisterous ovation" from the overflow crowd.

Fifteen minutes later, Blumenthal asked Frist his opinion on the "raghead" characterization. Frist responded, "I wasn't there so I better not comment." No major newspaper reported on Coulter's racial epithet to the more than 1,000 Republican Party stalwarts.

The "raghead" comment is consistent with an article Coulter posted on her website, which reads in part, "Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about 'camel jockey'? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy."

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Sloty_Princess,
That is a very broad statement and narrow view. Could you please elaborate? I am a Christian and do not feel that any crimes have been bestowed upon my by any Muslims. I am not, however, a woman.

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snood wrote:

How can you leave God out of a discussion about Islam? Islam MEANS submission to the will of God.

ok. but I'm asking to talk to someone about islamic art, culture, history (which obviously involves the religion of Islam) without debate about God.

I mean, I'd like to talk about going to a mosque without talking about why.
Because I'm honestly interested in things like the painting from Manafi al-Hayawan (The usefulness of Animals) by Abu Sa'id Ubaud Allah ibn Bakhtishu from Iran
or the music of Mukhtar And Al-Saadi (Iraq)

I believe that the most beautiful arcitecture stands in the middle east and I'd also like some recipe ideas as I'm into spicy, north African food.

There. No mention of God.

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ENDYMION wrote:

snood wrote:
How can you leave God out of a discussion about Islam? Islam MEANS submission to the will of God.

ok. but I'm asking to talk to someone about islamic art, culture, history (which obviously involves the religion of Islam) without debate about God.

I mean, I'd like to talk about going to a mosque without talking about why.
Because I'm honestly interested in things like the painting from Manafi al-Hayawan (The usefulness of Animals) by Abu Sa'id Ubaud Allah ibn Bakhtishu from Iran
or the music of Mukhtar And Al-Saadi (Iraq)

I believe that the most beautiful arcitecture stands in the middle east and I'd also like some recipe ideas as I'm into spicy, north African food.

There. No mention of God.

Well then, you don't want to talk about Islam. You want to have a discussion about Middle Eastern Culture Excluding Islam.

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Good point, Snood

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Wow, you mean no one's going to jump to the defense of Coulter? Usually we get a couple of diehards reminding that she is "just being satirical".

It's always good for a laugh seeing righties sink deeply into denial about the racist underpinings of their side of the aisle.

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ENDYMION wrote:

People don't call nuns sheetheads do they?

raghead, towelhead, - these are racist terms. And anti-muslim feeling is everywhere, even in countries such as mine, where religion is less of an issue.

Nuns dont go around advocating jihad...or crusade, but even if they thoroughly deserved the term "sheethead" thats not racist is it? Its nunnist. Just like people wandering around N London wearing pathetic red shirts are called Gooners. Gooner is not a racist term. All reasonable people will naturally deplore their choice of football team, but they can change allegiance cant they? They are not born Gooners, Muslims Nuns or Towelheads. But you are born white black asian chinese etc. People need to understand what is racist and what not.

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

ENDYMION wrote:

People don't call nuns sheetheads do they?

raghead, towelhead, - these are racist terms. And anti-muslim feeling is everywhere, even in countries such as mine, where religion is less of an issue.

Nuns dont go around advocating jihad...or crusade, but even if they thoroughly deserved the term "sheethead" thats not racist is it? Its nunnist. Just like people wandering around N London wearing pathetic red shirts are called Gooners. Gooner is not a racist term. All reasonable people will naturally deplore their choice of football team, but they can change allegiance cant they? They are not born Gooners, Muslims Nuns or Towelheads. But you are born white black asian chinese etc. People need to understand what is racist and what not.

So lemme get this striaght - are you saying "raghead" and "camel jockey" aren't racist terms?

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They are used as terms of abuse but you dont define a race by what they choose to wear, or ride.

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Thomas wrote:

Lash wrote:
I don't know of any anti-Muslims here.

I've seen a few who call them towelheads. Do they count?

If they are referring to the entire Muslim population, I would think they may count.

If they used ANY word to intentionally demean an entire population of ANY group, that constitutes MY opinion of anti-somebody.

I don't subcribe to the Great Terminology Embargo, as I'm one of the silly ones, who actually thinks the meaning behind a word is what is the best indicator of a person's sentiment. On occasion, a term DOES reflect a racial or ethnic hatred. In MY case, towelhead was used against terrorists, which I said. I used several other words, as well. However, if you'd like to pretend that makes me a racist, you may with my blessings.

If people, such as myself, want to refer to certain other people by a term they find funny, such as towelhead, referencing nothing more than the fact that these people in question are wearing a large thing on their head that looks like a towel, you may feel free to get bent out of shape over it, or just bent. Laughing

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

..... Just like people wandering around N London wearing pathetic red shirts are called Gooners. Gooner is not a racist term. All reasonable people will naturally deplore their choice of football team, but they can change allegiance cant they?.....

Oi!

Bloody Manc!

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

They are used as terms of abuse but you dont define a race by what they choose to wear, or ride.

Some do. And, that is the point.

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Intrepid wrote:

Sloty_Princess,
That is a very broad statement and narrow view. Could you please elaborate? I am a Christian and do not feel that any crimes have been bestowed upon my by any Muslims. I am not, however, a woman.

I've communicated with several Missinaries in Saudi Arabia, there they have to pretend they are tourist on vocation. Some have survived to tell about them being thrown in prison where tortured, raped, and seen other missinares murdered, all because they carried a bible. Any women tourist visiting, without the right garments, are treated the same way and communicated with them as well. I have some proof on how Christian Tourist are treated in Saudi Arabia, which I will post later.

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ENDYMION wrote:

snood wrote:
I also think some people are so virulent in their criticism of religion and insulting towards religious people because they have anger issues, and religion and religious people are convenient targets.

Snood, how can you say that with that face?

People don't call nuns sheetheads do they?

raghead, towelhead, - these are racist terms. And anti-muslim feeling is everywhere, even in countries such as mine, where religion is less of an issue.

They call nuns penguins. There's a word for everyone.

Signed

Cracker Honkey

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Lord Ellpus wrote:

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
..... Just like people wandering around N London wearing pathetic red shirts are called Gooners. Gooner is not a racist term. All reasonable people will naturally deplore their choice of football team, but they can change allegiance cant they?.....

Oi!

Bloody Manc!

I believe some things have been said about people wandering about Manchester in red shirts too.

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Intrepid wrote:

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
They are used as terms of abuse but you dont define a race by what they choose to wear, or ride.

Some do. And, that is the point.

I accept that. Also Lash's point about what was intended. Just because one uses an insulting term like towelhead does not make one a racist, but racists will refer to Arabs or Asians in such a manner because, if they have any sense, they realise direct reference to Arab or Asian is illegal.

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Racism has got to be known as more than the use of a word.

Racial terms are the fast food of moral judgment. An authentic personal judgment about someone else's motives toward minorities takes getting to know them, and withholding judgment for a while.

People are no longer that patient. And, they make a multitude of mistakes because of it. Things are a bit more complicated than the immediate approval or condemnation, based on term use. I think the PC movement is directly associated with this lazy phenomenon--and the muzzle laws in parts of Europe are steamrolling it forward.

(My biggest social pet peeve, currently.)

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Intrepid wrote:

It is all about tolerance. I think that, perhaps, it is tolerance in general that is somewhat lacking. I don't see any single group being singled out. Muslims, Christians, Jews etc. have all had their share of negative posts.

Granted, there is evidence of intolerance on all sides so it is hard to pinpoint anything.

This is worth repeating, especially in that we have quite a few posts, and even entire threads, devoted by religionists to slighting and sometimes virulently denigrating those who are, or can be described as atheists or agnostics.

This bulletin board, like any other, has a history. There are about two or three people posting to this thread who have been here since the beginning. Just about everyone else responding to this thread are among those who have shown up at this site, and begun to almost immediately complain about the atmosphere here with regard to religion.

A lack of tolerance and civility on the topic of religion from the very earliest days of this site is largely to blame, and, ironically, the very first truly acrimonious debate was between agnostics and atheists. Nevertheless, for those of us who have been here for the three and half years that the site has been in existence, these sorts of threads come off as just more whining . . . just more insistence that when it comes to religion, as is the case with no other topic, people somehow have a special right not to be offended by the expressed opinions of others. Bullsh!t . . .

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