Is this board anti-muslim?

Let me ask you a question, fresco. Why do you make it more complicated than it is? Let me rephrase that. I am sure to you that didn't sound all that complicated but to me it did.

That statement kind of sounds to me like "you gotta join them first before you can change them" type of thing. I don't agree with that. If I make changes within myself for the better and keep the focus on what I do and not on what someone else does and then someone else does it, etc., I think that is the change that makes the biggest difference.

It seems, just as in this thread, that we can't even completely agree on whether "this board" is anti-Muslim or not. The obvious answer, to me anyway, is some are anti-Muslim and some are not. If I am not, good. I need to keep that attitude and show it to others. If I am, then I need to look at that position and adjust it because I think it's safe to say that we all know discrimination is wrong. Right? :wink:

good word lash. Illegal but to the point...

Yes, MA I'm quite sure that there were some southerners who opposed slavery in 1860 so it really wasn't as bad as it seemed.

dys,

What has slavery got to do with being anti-Muslim or not? I don't recall saying anything isn't as bad as it seems or anything like that.

For the record, slavery IS WRONG! If I had lived during that time I am sure that I would have fought against it.

Is the stereotype of a Muslim that they are terrorists? Do the actions of a few stereotype the whole? If that is the case, then we could assume that this board is rude. Of course, this is nonsense. However, if we base it on the fact that some are, we must assume that all are. Using fresco's line of reasoning.

Is the U.S. a war mongering country because they have attached another? It is all perception and seems to have little to do with reality.

If this board is anti-muslim then each one should ask themselves why is that so. Because society says so. What basis of fact is society using? It is a mistake to tie terrorism to a people solely to the fact that someone is a Muslim. Just as it is to make claims against the French, Jews or anybody else.

What about the stereotype of the American Indian. This, too, is wrong.

Excellent question Fresco. Answer logically as you say has to be no.

Untrue.

She says that gays should follow the law about not being able to marry. She further said as long as the law is like that, it is proof that it is the will of the majority, and people should submit to the law, as such.

You've turned this through 180 degrees. The original saying refers to ONE bad apple spoiling the entire BARREL.

It is not complicated at all.

The fact that I can agree with you that "discrimination is wrong" at a one-to-one level does not make either of us immune from the dynamics of a social reality in which "nations" "beliefs" and "group identities" are the major players. Macro "logic" does not follow micro "logic" even if the microelements are "logical".

Thanks, Steve. I liked it as I invented it. Now, I'm considering declaring it an epithet to see who will blindly submit to my edict.

<mulls> :wink:

this is just moral relativism. George Washington kept slaves.

Intrepid,

I like what you said. Point on! just in case there is any confusion about that statement I made about fighting slavery, perhaps this will clarify.

I should have added to that statement that I would have "fought within THE LAW" to change the law, as I have stated that is my belief throughout my presence on A2K.

[quote].....as long as the law is like that, it is proof that is the will of the majority........[/quote]

Were words never uttered from my lips nor were they words I actually posted.

THIS is what I actually have said and posted:

[quote]If it's legal then it's legal. That doesn't make it right.[/quote]

Momma,
I am confused by your post which you seem to be directing to me, but using quotes that are not mine.

I am sorry Intrepid. I did not mean to confuse you.

I just wanted to clarify the statement I made and I will not refer to certain people on A2K. I have said I won't and I won't.

I didn't mean to get you confused but I wanted my view on fighting slavery (if I had been there) to be clear because the way I posted it the first time was lacking in information and I did not take into consideration that there are posters on this thread that don't know my full stance.

And I feel like a friggin three year old in kindergarten not mentioning someone's name, or not directing my comments to them personally, etc.! But, if I do it, then I get accused of lying because I said I wouldn't do it. So, it's a rock and a hard place for me right now.

I prefer to let the whole mess rest and just go on and be civil. I have no hard feelings but I am afraid the sentiment is not returned.

Momma,
Just to end my confusion.

1- You agreed with the post that I made

2- You used your post to add pertinent information regarding your stand regarding slavery in general.

3- You used that post to avoid bickering that could ensure because a certain poster has decided to give you a hard time at every opportunity.

4- I think I got it

hehe, this thread is getting weird....

Momma, who are you not allowed to talk to, or about? What's all this about?

Intrepid,

Bingo!

Perplexed,

It's a long and drawn out story that really is not worth repeating.

She posts to you to avoid addressing me, which is how she does alot of things, like her "prayer threads," using prayer to insult members she disapproves of.

That's just open dishonestly.

When she contradicts herself, I will point it out.

Lash,

Ok, first of all, if you want to think I lied and went back on not addressing you, fine! I LIED!

This is sooooooooooooooooooooo stupid! I did not use a prayer thread to insult anyone Lash. Post that letter a million times if you want to! I don't care. You want me to do it for you?

Get over it! How old are you? It was a disagreement. It was not the end of the world.

DO ME A FAVOR LASH! GET THE PLANK OUT OF YOUR EYE WHILE I AM TAKING THE ONE OUT OF MINE, OK?

I have forgiven you for all this. Let it go, please. It's effecting others and there is absolutely no reason it should.

Poor Perplexed, comes to this board and gets involved in a war that has nothing to do with him.

Call me whatever you want Lash. Whatever makes you happy. But, I forgive you for your part in all of this and I am asking you to forgive me for my part.

Everyone play nice like grown-ups, if you can't let whatever by-gones be by-gones then you can get the hell on, both Lash and Momma!

Seriously, this is making you both look bad.